Montreux and Ataturk declaration from 103 retired Turkish admirals

[Quasar]

after double roads lets go for a double canel why double lets go for triple hahaha and give passage garantee in USD to whomever builds it for 20 years man this is a perfect idea hahahaha then we may even build new bridges or tunels for the new canel with passage guarantee hahahahahah Montreux what is it? under diffrent conditions I may support Istanbul canel but I dont trust these people.

 

[Tornadoss]

Btw, don't mistake DefenceHub as an actual representation of the Turkish public opinion. This is not the case.

All opposition parties - including parts of CHP - are criticizing the former admirals for distracting the public agenda with this unnecessary statement.

The Turkish public (conservatives, liberals, leftists) are strongly against any kind of intervention from the military.

They helped Erdoğan to secure support for the Kanal İstanbul project rather than stopping him. This is why people asking themselves what the purpose of this declaration was.

Opposition İYİ Party leader criticizes admirals’ declaration - Türkiye News

İYİ (Good) Party Chair Meral Akşener called a declaration signed by 104 retired admirals in support of the Montreux Convention “nonsense talk.”

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

The thing is they are retired therefore they are civilians and do not have any military power.

 

[Zafer]

I know with which part of their body people like you laugh right now, just like the foreigners and your Georgian prophet currently.
You ruin the country with the same game every time and the sheeps keep clapping, ofcourse you laugh...

I am laughing at your miserable arguments FYI.

 

[mulj]

Btw, don't mistake DefenceHub as an actual representation of the Turkish public opinion. This is not the case.

All opposition parties - including parts of CHP - are criticizing the former admirals for distracting the public agenda with this unnecessary statement.

The Turkish public (conservatives, liberals, leftists) are strongly against any kind of intervention from the military.

They helped Erdoğan to secure support for the Kanal İstanbul project rather than stopping him. This is why people asking themselves what the purpose of this declaration was.

Opposition İYİ Party leader criticizes admirals’ declaration - Türkiye News

İYİ (Good) Party Chair Meral Akşener called a declaration signed by 104 retired admirals in support of the Montreux Convention “nonsense talk.”

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

doubt that, community here is trying to be persuaded like erdogan put the gun on each of the admirals amd forced them to write stupid letter or similar.

 

[Ryder]

The thing is they are retired therefore they are civilians and do not have any military power.

You cant divorce the military and the state.

Even if they are retired their influence is still there.

Dont get me wrong but it seems turkish history for centuries has been a clash between the state and the military.

This clash has no end of signs. It lasted this long due to the balance of power between two parties. Leviathan by thomas hobbes can be used to be honest as an example.

 

[mulj]

The thing is they are retired therefore they are civilians and do not have any military power.

Then they should enjoy scotch, serbe, walking with grandchildren or whatever instead of going in state matters from their previous carrear positions.

 

[Tornadoss]

Then they should enjoy scotch, serbe, walking with grandchildren or whatever instead of going in state matters from their previous carrear positions.

Every citizen has the right to voice their opinion unless this is a dictatorship.

 

[mulj]

Every citizen has the right to voice their opinion unless this is a dictatorship.

And every citizen can not avoid scrutiny from the state, you know very well that those retired navy perosnal are not ordinary citizens and that their joint opinion has specific weight but you are disregarding that willingfully because hate towards current goverment, lets not play naive.

 

[Deliorman]

Then they should enjoy scotch, serbe, walking with grandchildren or whatever instead of going in state matters from their previous carrear positions.

Okay, you as a guy from Bosnia that has nothing to do with Turkey can give your opinions and expertise on everything that happens in Turkey but people that during their whole life served the country and took part in its defense CAN’T.

 

[Tornadoss]

And every citizen can not avoid scrutiny from the state, you know very well that those retired navy perosnal are not ordinary citizens and that their joint opinion has specific weight but you are disregarding that willingfully because hate towards current goverment, lets not play naive.

And what exactly will happen after their declaration, a coup? There is nothing wrong with their declaration.

 

[Xenon54]

after double roads lets go for a double canel why double lets go for triple hahaha and give passage garantee in USD to whomever builds it for 20 years man this is a perfect idea hahahaha then we may even build new bridges or tunels for the new canel with passage guarantee hahahahahah Montreux what is it? under diffrent conditions I may support Istanbul canel but I dont trust these people.

Mexico was lucky when trump said he will build a wall and let them pay, here they make us build and pay it.

 

[Oublious]

It started because of a question about Montreux, is it possible to change it? And the answer was yes, but ther was never a plan to change it .

 

[Sinan]

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Wanker Osman.... You know, he was in the same high school as me (TED Ankara College). He was 1 year older than me. He masturbated in class, during class time and school management expelled him. So, he went to Samanyolu College.

 

[Xenon54]

Wanker Osman.... You know, he was in the same high school as me (TED Ankara College). He was 1 year older me. He masturbated in class, during class time and school management expelled him. So, he went to Samanyolu College.

Holy crap you gotta be kidding.

 

[Sinan]

Not just that... the “Coup” apparently will be made by the Naval Forces... lead by retired Navy members... against the Government in Ankara... which is 300km away from the closest sea.

More over, 4 of the ex-Admirals didn't get arrested because of their old age. Apparently, they were going to do a coup with their walking sticks.

 

[Sinan]

Holy crap you gotta be kidding.

Yeah, every TED student from my generation knows this.

 

[Sinan]

Btw, don't mistake DefenceHub as an actual representation of the Turkish public opinion. This is not the case.

All opposition parties - including parts of CHP - are criticizing the former admirals for distracting the public agenda with this unnecessary statement.

The Turkish public (conservatives, liberals, leftists) are strongly against any kind of intervention from the military.

They helped Erdoğan to secure support for the Kanal İstanbul project rather than stopping him. This is why people asking themselves what the purpose of this declaration was.

Opposition İYİ Party leader criticizes admirals’ declaration - Türkiye News

İYİ (Good) Party Chair Meral Akşener called a declaration signed by 104 retired admirals in support of the Montreux Convention “nonsense talk.”

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Yes, but with a small nuance. Opposition parties didn't see this statement as "coup decleration". They saw it as an unnecessary statement and distracting the real problems of Turkey, like failure in Covid fight, economic crisis, mass unemployement, inflation, etc....

 

[GoatsMilk]

When the political islamist days come to an end and if Allah wills it that Turkey still exists, the level of corruption and filth that is going to be exposed under the name of AK party Islamists, will shock even Satan himself.

Every single week a new phycological shock/attack on the Turkish nation. Just last week it was sacking the CB manager. What new shock/outrage will the islamists have prepared as a smokescreen to hide all of their failings?

Whats the next "crisis" that ak party will present to the nation in the next week or two?

 

[Xenon54]

Every single week a new phycological shock/attack on the Turkish nation. Just last week it was sacking the CB manager. What new shock/outrage will the islamists have prepared as a smokescreen to hide all of their failings?

Thats nothing, they already prepare a system change silently since they understood Erdogan doesnt stand a chance with the current system for a re-election.
Lets see what kind surprises are waiting for us.

 

[Sinan]

The declaration is FULL of wrongs and deeply misjudged facts but the government is grossly exaggerating this 'declaration'.

However, I'd like to know what the purpose of this declaration at this point is. What was the objective?

Statement of Cem Gürdeniz;


“Son dönemde çıkan Montrö tartışmaları ve medyada tasvip edilmeyen fotoğrafları ortaya çıkan Deniz Kuvvetleri mensubu beni üzmüştür. Bir emekli amiral olarak, amirallerimizin ortak gündeme getirdiği böyle bir metni açıklamanın ve bu metne benim de imza koymamın sakınca olmadığını değerlendirdim. Bu en azından ifade özgürlüğü kapsamında değerlendirilmelidir.

Yıllarca Türkiye’nin menfaatleri için hareket edip, Mavi Vatan’a sahip çıktık. Dolayısıyla yapılan açıklama, Türkiye’nin menfaatleri ve Mavi Vatan’ı korumak içindir. Açıklama yapma özgürlüğüne sahibiz ve buradan bir mağduriyet oluşturulmamalı. Yapılan bir açıklamadır bunu bir ‘Darbe çağrısı’ olarak yorumlamak son derece yanlıştır. Kaldı ki biz FETÖ’nün kumpaslarında hapis yatmış kişileriz. Amacımız Mavi Vatan’a sahip çıkmaktır.”

https://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber...turkiyenin-menfaatlerine-sahip-cikmak-1825553

Short Translation; Cem Gürdeniz said that, discussion on Montreux Agreement and an active admiral belonging to a religious cult, disturbed him.

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Wife of Cem Gürdeniz says that ex-Admirals who are under arrest will be kept under arrest till Thursday. At Thursday their statements will be take by prosecutors.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1379108460659404802

After their statements are taken, there will be 3 options.
1-) Prosecutor will release them saying there is no need for prosecution.
2-) Prosecutor will be release them but a case will be opened to prosecute them.
3-) Prosecutor will open a case to prosecute them and continue their arrest during this phase.