TR Naval Programs

[Ripley]

If a fast forty variant is also targeted to exceed 400 rounds per minute, the system could be used to defend against anti-ship missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles and other precision-guided weapons. It could also be used against conventional and rotary wing aircraft, surface ships, small watercrafts, coastal targets and floating mines.

An MLU package including HIZIR-TKAS/LFAS and 40 mm stealth cupola CIWS for Tuzla class patrol boats would be great.

Alright, from what I understand this SAHA is not a corporate but more of an NGO which consists universities, industrial members from various sectors and even SMEs (KOBİ in Turkish) and they call their enterprise as Cluster.

My question is, did they form a company to design this gun or they’re only an association, NGO? I’m confused.

Haluk BAYRAKTAR, CEO of Istanbul - SAHA İstanbul

Today, SAHA Istanbul has become the largest industrial cluster in Turkey and the second largest in Europe. There is a great effort, belief and determination behind this success achieved in a short period of 7 years. We continue on our way with our belief in the production power and patriotism of...

sahaistanbul.org.tr

 

[dBSPL]

Alright, from what I understand this SAHA is not a corporate but more of an NGO which consists universities, industrial members from various sectors and even SMEs (KOBİ in Turkish) and they call their enterprise as Cluster.

My question is, did they form a company to design this gun or they’re only an association, NGO? I’m confused.

Haluk BAYRAKTAR, CEO of Istanbul - SAHA İstanbul

Today, SAHA Istanbul has become the largest industrial cluster in Turkey and the second largest in Europe. There is a great effort, belief and determination behind this success achieved in a short period of 7 years. We continue on our way with our belief in the production power and patriotism of...

sahaistanbul.org.tr

Bro, the poster includes the name of the company that developing the system. http://www.saver.com.tr/

SAHA Istanbul is the name of an organization established to create a clustering and ecosystem in the field of advanced technology and aerospace. March 2015, with the initiatives of 27 founding members, SAHA Istanbul defence, Aviation and Space Clustering Association was established. The cluster has chosen Technopark Istanbul, located in Pendik, as its centre.

 

[Ripley]

Bro, the poster includes the name of the company that developing the system. http://www.saver.com.tr/

SAHA Istanbul is the name of an organization established to create a clustering and ecosystem in the field of advanced technology and aerospace. March 2015, with the initiatives of 27 founding members, SAHA Istanbul defence, Aviation and Space Clustering Association was established. The cluster has chosen Technopark Istanbul, located in Pendik, as its centre.

Dude first thing I did was to search for saver. com but living the US, it brought up this

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saver.com

a stupid online shopping app or site or whatever.
I forgot to add .tr at the end

Thanks for clearing it out

 

[dBSPL]

	KAAN -SNG- 40/70T	40L70 DARDO (Fast Forty Mod)
Diameter	2 x 40mm	2 x 40mm
Barrel	2 x 2800mm	2x 2800mm (Bofors 40mm/L70)
Rate of fire	2 x 300	2 x 450 (FF) / 2 x 300 (Compact)
Maximum firing range	12500m	12500m
Muzzle velocity	1000 (3,300 ft) m/sec	1,000 m (3,300 ft) per second
Elevation	-13 +85	-13 +85
Height	4650 mm	3,8m
Height above deck	2420mm	2400mm
Magazine ammunition capacity	680
Total ammunition capacity	740	736
Weight without ammunition	5450	5500
Combat weight	7320	7300/7400
Stealth cupola	yes	yes* (avaliable for single barrel variant)

*** Type-B variant without deck penetration is not considered in the comparison.

Oto Melara Breda 40/L70 DARDO CIWS close-in weapon system

oto melara breda dardo 40/l70 close-in weapon system ciws

www.seaforces.org

Italy 40 mm/70 (1.57") Breda - NavWeaps

www.navweaps.com

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ff5ea6LXwAA1Prp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

 

[Ripley]

	KAAN -SNG- 40/70T	40L70 DARDO (Fast Forty Mod)
Diameter	2 x 40mm	2 x 40mm
Barrel	2 x 2800mm	2x 2800mm (Bofors 40mm/L70)
Rate of fire	2 x 300	2 x 450 (FF) / 2 x 300 (Compact)
Maximum firing range	12500m	12500m
Muzzle velocity	1000 (3,300 ft) m/sec	1,000 m (3,300 ft) per second
Elevation	-13 +85	-13 +85
Height	4650 mm	3,8m
Height above deck	2420mm	2400mm
Magazine ammunition capacity	680
Total ammunition capacity	740	736
Weight without ammunition	5450	5500
Combat weight	7320	7300/7400
Stealth cupola	yes	yes* (avaliable for single barrel variant)

*** Type-B variant without deck penetration is not considered in the comparison.

Oto Melara Breda 40/L70 DARDO CIWS close-in weapon system

oto melara breda dardo 40/l70 close-in weapon system ciws

www.seaforces.org

Italy 40 mm/70 (1.57") Breda - NavWeaps

www.navweaps.com

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ff5ea6LXwAA1Prp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

According to this table, can I assume that while Dardo uses Bofors L70, Kaan will use an indigenously developed identical barrel?
Or is Kaan being developed around Bofors L70 in mind?

 

[dBSPL]

According to this table, can I assume that while Dardo uses Bofors L70, Kaan will use an indigenously developed identical barrel?
Or is Kaan being developed around Bofors L70 in mind?

Until recent years, the main anti-aircraft artillery systems installed in Turkiye were the Bofors-L70 and Oerlikon GDF-003, which have been modernized many times. We use the same armament for 40mm Otobreda navalguns on naval platforms. So there is a lot of experience with this type. Especially on the ammunition side.

My short answer, It could be the same barrel, that is same armament. Because when you look at the specs, they have identically the same values. Or, as you said, it may be an indigenous development that aimd the same level. Honestly, I have no idea. The reason I share the above table is that we are developing a system that will exactly replace the DARDO system.

Footnote: Sweden recently announced the full end of its arms embargo against TAF.

 

[Ripley]

Until recent years, the main anti-aircraft artillery systems installed in Turkiye were the Bofors-L70 and Oerlikon GDF-003, which have been modernized many times. We use the same armament for 40mm Otobreda navalguns on naval platforms. So there is a lot of experience with this type. Especially on the ammunition side.

My short answer, It could be the same barrel, that is same armament. Because when you look at the specs, they have identically the same values. Or, as you said, it may be an indigenous development that aimd the same level. Honestly, I have no idea. The reason I share the above table is that we are developing a system that will exactly replace the DARDO system.

Footnote: Sweden recently announced the full end of its arms embargo against TAF.

Thanks for the quick reply.
I am aware of their lifting the embargo but somehow it’s not reassuring because… Sweden

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1584977857675415552

And who has told this months ago even before than sea trials, while Mr. Demir was claiming that it will be commissioned in 2022?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I class frigate and STM500

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Does the I class have a similar concept, or is it more comparable to the TF-2000?

The meko A-300 capabilities :
- "We've already packed the ship with anti-aircraft warfare ( AAW ), anti-surface warfare ( ASuW ) and anti-submarine warfare ( ASW ) assets with hard-kill and easy-to-kill assets."
- The ship has two ‘fighting islands’, one forward and one aft. Each contains propulsion, electrical supply, command and control (C2), and sensors and effectors to support full, three-dimensional offensive and defensive warfare, Kamerman explained. The whole idea is that if the ship sustains damage, it does not sink. It will continue to float while moving. It can defend itself and attack, even if half of the ship is rendered effective.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1585183447269900293

 

[Radonsider]

Does the I class have a similar concept, or is it more comparable to the TF-2000?

The meko A-300 capabilities :
- "We've already packed the ship with anti-aircraft warfare ( AAW ), anti-surface warfare ( ASuW ) and anti-submarine warfare ( ASW ) assets with hard-kill and easy-to-kill assets."
- The ship has two ‘fighting islands’, one forward and one aft. Each contains propulsion, electrical supply, command and control (C2), and sensors and effectors to support full, three-dimensional offensive and defensive warfare, Kamerman explained. The whole idea is that if the ship sustains damage, it does not sink. It will continue to float while moving. It can defend itself and attack, even if half of the ship is rendered effective.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1585183447269900293

This is in-between TF-2000 and I class

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

This is in-between TF-2000 and I class

Yes in displacement. I was thinking more the features of the «next gen» meko compared to what turkey is planning to develope. I can see that they went with alot of weapons for offensive role, Unmanned boats, laser defensive weapons, aswell as constructing the hull in a way for maximum survivability.

 

[Hexciter]

TEMREN is coming for the navy. Modified version of the original UMTAS for the above sea environment, the range is the same. Tests continue. Another version will have increased range.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1585255575843385344

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1585954594768977921

Sonobuoy

Koc says they did succesfull test on Meltem and now moving on to Navy’s testing on unmanned vessels.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1585977912117063680

MKE 20 mm close-in weapon system.

The system, which can fire 4,000 rounds per minute and has 6 rotating barrels, will serve as air defense system against anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles, helicopters, UAVs and aircrafts.

'Domestic and national' brrrrrrrt.

 

[Afif]

Looks fabulous! But Where is the sensor?

Doesn't it looks like phalanx's bottom part! Anybody else noticed the similarity?

 

[Radonsider]

Looks fabulous! But Where is the sensor?

Doesn't it looks like phalanx's bottom part! Anybody else noticed the similarity?

Yes, this system uses the integrated radar network, not it's own

 

[Oublious]

 

[Anmdt]

Looks fabulous! But Where is the sensor?

Doesn't it looks like phalanx's bottom part! Anybody else noticed the similarity?

It will be integrated later, MKE does not produce electronics or radars. Another company will develop that end along with CMS integration and automation.

Yes, this system uses the integrated radar network, not it's own

Not really.

 

[Radonsider]

It will be integrated later, MKE does not produce electronics or radars. Another company will develop that end along with CMS integration and automation.


Not really.

Oh, twatter experts got me again