TR Naval Programs

[Afif]

ASFAT.

Is STM part of ASFAT?

 

[TheInsider]

Is STM part of ASFAT?

No, STM is a private company. ASFAT is completely owned by the state. There are three types of companies in Turkish defense industry ecosystem. Private companies like Baykar, BMC, Otokar, foundation companies like Aselsan, Roketsan, TEI/TUSAŞ, and state-owned companies like MKE, ASFAT.

 

[Lool]

No, STM is a private company. ASFAT is completely owned by the state. There are three types of companies in Turkish defense industry ecosystem. Private companies like Baykar, BMC, Otokar, foundation companies like Aselsan, Roketsan, TEI/TUSAŞ, and state-owned companies like MKE, ASFAT.

These foundation companies are also owned by the state right?

 

[Anmdt]

Which shipyard is building first two OPVs?

Asfat has no shipyard.
Istanbul shipyard command, aka pendik naval shipyard is constructing the OPVs.
Asfat is merely a contractor. Asfat utilizes infastructure of MoD factories and shipyards to fulfill orders. They mainly manage tiny bits around.

STM is owned by SSB
Asfat is owned by MoD

Both are state owned.

 

[Nutuk]

ASFAT is a conglomeration of military factories + 2 military shipyards.

ASFAT is founded to act as a semi private company to have the military factories run effectively, so far ASFAT is doing very well

 

[BalkanTurk90]

No, STM is a private company. ASFAT is completely owned by the state. There are three types of companies in Turkish defense industry ecosystem. Private companies like Baykar, BMC, Otokar, foundation companies like Aselsan, Roketsan, TEI/TUSAŞ, and state-owned companies like MKE, ASFAT.

What do u mean by foundation companies?
Tai aselsan roketsan also are state/military owned companies as i know ?!

 

[Bürküt]

Whay do u mean by foudation companies?
Tai aselsan roketsan aslo are state/military owened companies as i know ?!

it mean's Turkish Armed Forces Strengthening Foundation is copartner/shareholder of these companies.

 

[Yasar_TR]

MİLGEM 6,7 ve 8'inci için sözleşme imza tarihi belli oldu

MİLGEM İSTİF Sınıfı Firkateynlerin 6,7 ve 8'inci gemileri için Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı'nda sözleşme imza töreni gerçekleştirilecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Finally the contracts for 6th, 7th and 8th Milgem ships the 3 I-Class frigates will be signed on 6th of this month.
The plan is to deliver 3 ships in 36 months.
Production of the ships will effectively start after the signing ceremony.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1643914586817527808

Signatures were signed for the construction of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th ships of the stow class frigates in cooperation with STM-TAİS OG. Ships to be built in 3 different shipyards will be taken into inventory within 36 months.

 

[Zafer]

With all the experience gained so far I wish our navy moves faster in building new systems. There are few components that still need to be procured from foreign makers or partners now anyway.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1643914586817527808

Signatures were signed for the construction of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th ships of the stow class frigates in cooperation with STM-TAİS OG. Ships to be built in 3 different shipyards will be taken into inventory within 36 months.

I hope this project will be updated as 3+3.

 

[TR_123456]

I hope this project will be updated as 3+3.

Why?
Not better to go for the TF2000 first?

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Why?
Not better to go for the TF2000 first?

The TF2000 will not be ready until 2029 or 2032 at the latest. The 3 I-class frigates will be delivered by 2026 so it could be wise to go for 3 more that could be delivered between 2026-2029. It would maybe be the ideal choice since Turkey will need a lot more warships than it has now. I don't know how long of a lifetime the gabya frigates will have but it could be a long-term replacement. I-class can never replace the AAW TF2000 destroyers in terms of capabilities but perhaps it can give some relief, and a new addition to its navy in the meantime.

 

[Sanchez]

TF2000 is just starting its life and still very much is on paper and CAD. If we had the budget, 3 more İs would offload much of the weight on older G class vessels and actually help us enlarge the navy together with Hisars. Yavuz and Buraks are goners. We are not going to replace Gs with TF2000s on a one by one basis anyway. No way TF2000 exceeds more than 4 at best.
edit, tho we would need a new name scheme as we are out of cities starting with İs . Maybe Isparta if you try hard.

 

[dBSPL]

Why?
Not better to go for the TF2000 first?

Let me try to explain my idea, üstad. It was decided to start the design of the TF-2000 in the current year and to allocate a budget for it. In the best case scenario, construction activities will start in 2024. ANMDT Üstad can of course make a much more accurate prediction on this subject. The ship will include many systems that will be integrated for the first time. It will be the pioneer ship of its class and the testing process will be quite detailed in every phase. The target is for the ship to join the inventory in 2027, I don't know if this target can be met, but in my humble opinion, the 2028-2029 range seems more realistic to me.

When the post-launch engineering phases so that test-verification phases are completed of this ship, or at the same time, tenders will be launched for the other 3 ships of the class. In short, according to my estimation, we still have a period of 5-8 years ahead of us for the serial production of the TF-2000. But the launching of the ship of course it will take place earlier. During this period, I am of the opinion that we should produce as many I-class frigates as we can, which will probably be commissioned first ship Istanbul within the year or next year at the latest.

The advanced outfitting activities, integration of combat systems and acceptance tests of these ships will be largely(and some them completly)outside the responsibility of the shipyards that will undertake the hull and superstructure construction. If the construction activities of the first 3 ships can start in 2023, it may be possible to built 3+3 until 2028-2029.

Afterwards, the shipyards building these frigates can continue the serial production activities of the TF-2000 without interruption, or with an additional tender, without leaving any gaps.

Until the TF-2000 serial production phase,

• 2+6 Hısar class multi-role corvettes
• 1+3+3 I-class air defense capable multi-role frigate
• 1 TF-2000 lead ship (Pendik Shipyard)

If we can make such a breakthrough, our navy can eliminate the delays it has been experiencing for a long time in the construction of heavy tonnage warships (i mean upper than littoral ships) with maximum domestic resources and completely domestic design/construction, and in the 2030s, TN can start to realize a expansion period with completely young platforms that the TN' ambitions and the blue homeland doctrine need. Once the mass production of the TF-2000 project begins, the Pendik shipyard can return to the heavy frigate project, which we now refer to as the TF-100.

Of course, these issues are largely about resource planning and priorities. However, in my humble opinion, I believe that we need to renew our navy urgently and as fast as possible, and that the total number and tonnage of platforms in the navy should be increased to a certain extent in the 2030s in terms of geopolitical risks and opportunities.

 

[dBSPL]

edit, tho we would need a new name scheme as we are out of cities starting with İs . Maybe Isparta if you try hard.

İçel is also an informal name. So is İzmit. We can also add İskenderun from this quota. İznik is an important place in terms of Turkish history and has an imperial past, let's mix it in. There is Iğdır that we can take from the letter I, Also Isparta. Lastly, there is İnebolu, a former naval town and history. Eskişehir İnenü, the turning point of the Turkish War of Independence, is another district that comes to mind.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

"İSTİF Class Frigates will be built at least 30% cheaper than their foreign counterparts."

— prof. Dr. Ismail Demir

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1644428078775431181

 

[Zafer]

"İSTİF Class Frigates will be built at least 30% cheaper than their foreign counterparts."

— prof. Dr. Ismail Demir

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1644428078775431181

Nice language skills, where does it come from?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Sözleşmeden 4 gün sonra: TCG İZMİR'in ilk kaynağı atılacak

MİLGEM İSTİF Sınıfı Firkateyn Projesi kapsamında, sözleşme imzasından yalnızca 4 gün sonra TCG İZMİR (F-516) Firkateyni'nin ilk kaynak töreni gerçekleştirilecek

www.savunmasanayist.com

Within 4 days of the signing of the contract for 3 new I-Class frigates, first steel cutting ceremony will be held for TCG-Izmir.
Hopefully other ships’ steel cutting will follow consecutively as the plan is to deliver all 3 ships within a time frame of 36 months.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

The integration of Cenk-S to TCG Istanbul has started