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[TR_123456]

What's the point of calling her an OPV if it's to be armed with 8 cell VLS, it's better armed than Ada Class ships now.

"The Hisar Class Offshore Patrol Ships are considered as an important step towards Turkey's domestic and national defense industry targets. The first ship will be built by Dearsan Shipyard, which is the pilot partner in the project, and the second ship will be built by DESAN Kaptanoğlu Shipyard in modern shipyard facilities in Tuzla. Deliveries under the contract will take place between 2028 and 2029."

DESAN, Hisar Sınıfı açık karakol gemisinin inşasına başladı

Türk savunma sanayiinin yerli ve milli projelerinden Hisar Sınıfı açık deniz karakol gemilerinin üretimi, 20 Ocak 2025’te başladı. Dearsan-Desan-Özata İş Ortaklığı ile Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı arasında imzalanan anlaşma kapsamında üretilecek gemiler, açık denizlerde keşif, gözetleme ve...

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So,what's the difference between them?

 

[Saithan]

To be honest I don't see the problem. if our OPV are armed to the teeth for instant warfare. Then that's all good in my book. We can call her light patrol boat for all I care as long as the capabilities and arms are real.

Seeing how things are going to sh.its in the little time Trump has been sitting in his office it's best to be armed and ruthless. Deterrent is the key for our peace the next 4 years.

 

[Sanchez]

So,what's the difference between them?

Hisar Class OPVs lack the Cenk-S(Cenk-400) radar and ES/EA modules that is found on Istif class ships. They can carry half the amount of ASMs and VLS cells from what's shown. I'm very surprised actually that the design changed considerably to lengthened Istif hull. They probably keep the same propulsion method found on the first two Hisars. @Anmdt any ideas?

 

[TR_123456]

Hisar Class OPVs lack the Cenk-S(Cenk-400) radar and ES/EA modules that is found on Istif class ships. They can carry half the amount of ASMs and VLS cells from what's shown. I'm very surprised actually that the design changed considerably to lengthened Istif hull. They probably keep the same propulsion method found on the first two Hisars. @Anmdt any ideas?

What about the metal used for the hull,is it the same and the overall structure?

 

[Anmdt]

What's the point of calling her an OPV if it's to be armed with 8 cell VLS, it's better armed than Ada Class ships now.

"The Hisar Class Offshore Patrol Ships are considered as an important step towards Turkey's domestic and national defense industry targets. The first ship will be built by Dearsan Shipyard, which is the pilot partner in the project, and the second ship will be built by DESAN Kaptanoğlu Shipyard in modern shipyard facilities in Tuzla. Deliveries under the contract will take place between 2028 and 2029."

DESAN, Hisar Sınıfı açık karakol gemisinin inşasına başladı

Türk savunma sanayiinin yerli ve milli projelerinden Hisar Sınıfı açık deniz karakol gemilerinin üretimi, 20 Ocak 2025’te başladı. Dearsan-Desan-Özata İş Ortaklığı ile Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı arasında imzalanan anlaşma kapsamında üretilecek gemiler, açık denizlerde keşif, gözetleme ve...

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I think one difference still lies within the operator, yes still it is TN but OPVs will be serving within a different command along with other patrol boats, than what combatants do. Particularly tasked with protection of shores, EEZ and transition zones.

+ sensors, MAR-D and AKREP 100N (50km), equipped with KATS but lacks EA,ED antennas. Possibly will be equipped with DUFAS CU and Hizir TKAS TASS unit.

In contrary to that Ada will be upgraded with CENK, AKREP 300N(100km + illumination), KAT, EA + ED and again DUFAS CU or DUFAS, and ofcourse with the gas turbine.

And yes possibly CODOE will be kept but i think they may change the suppliers of the equipment for motors or gears (much less likely, but might happen).

Desan is not quite 'modern' at all. Still wondering why our state agencies saving ass of a shipyard or another which can not secure any contracts on their own.

First got a helping hand from STM for Malaysian MPMS and now an OPV with Dearsan, while obviously Dearsan will use facilities of Desan somewhat like 'renting out'. Did Dearsan somehow acquire Desan unknown to the media or open sources?

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1892613174848790623

As these ships are to be built with VLS, could it be because now that Bozdogan based Goksur system has been successfully fired from what looks like a VLS canister, these ships will have a point defence system based on Goksur VLS?

Thus, they do not need high end radar systems like the Ada Class??

 

[Radonsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1892613174848790623

As these ships are to be built with VLS, could it be because now that Bozdogan based Goksur system has been successfully fired from what looks like a VLS canister, these ships will have a point defence system based on Goksur VLS?

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Thus, they do not need high end radar systems like the Ada Class??

Even though plausible, the rendering looks explicitly like MIDLAS and not Göktuğ based VLS, interesting

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1892613174848790623

As these ships are to be built with VLS, could it be because now that Bozdogan based Goksur system has been successfully fired from what looks like a VLS canister, these ships will have a point defence system based on Goksur VLS?

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Thus, they do not need high end radar systems like the Ada Class??

Judging from size VLS on Hisar Class OPVs seem to be Roketsan's MIDLAS. If it was customized VL made by Aselsan or single unit launcher for Hisar-D/O by Roketsan, that was going to be placed mid hull as we have seen before.

Though judging from the sectional geometry at the spot, the current VLS seems to be shorter than Tactical Length and i believe they will do further adjustments. But i am certain on a matter that, these cells will be quadpack-able and the OPV may carry 32 Hisar DB2 at maximum. Siper D Block1 also seems short enough to fit at a shorter VLS.

 

[Kaan Azman]

I recall only SİPER B2 and later will require strike-length so yeah, SİPER B1 can be put but usage is a different matter with the unchanged sensor package

I guess we could say we have gotten ourselves a mini İstif-class both in looks and functionality

 

[Sanchez]

Though judging from the sectional geometry at the spot, the current VLS seems to be shorter than Tactical Length

We could have the Turkish Karakurt Class with Gezgins instead

 

[Sanchez]

First of the new 8 LCTs were launched today.

"The Ç-159 class will be able to carry and land all tanks and armored vehicles in the TAF inventory, including the Altay tank. The ships were specially designed for dropping off and picking up ZAHAs.

In addition to military missions, the ships will be able to carry out missions such as civilian vehicle and personnel transportation in conditions such as fires, floods and earthquakes, and transportation to places that cannot be reached by land.

The construction of Ç-159, the first ship of the 8-unit project, was successfully completed only 10 months after the contract was signed. The ship will enter the inventory of the Turkish Naval Forces after outfitting and testing activities. 6 ships are planned to be launched in 2025. The ships are the fastest landing ships of their class in the world."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893230563693040121

 

[Sanchez]

From Coast Guard 2024 report:

"Within the scope of the National Coast Guard Ship project, 2+6 ships will enter the Coast Guard Command inventory. The first ship will be launched in 2027 and the second ship in 2028. Main and auxiliary diesel engines will be indigenous."

Looks like an Ares design. Interesting aft design, will the RHIBs/USVs be able to be launched from the aft without the need for a crane? And no hangar for a long range ship seems interesting. What do you think @Anmdt ?

 

[boredaf]

From Coast Guard 2024 report:

"Within the scope of the National Coast Guard Ship project, 2+6 ships will enter the Coast Guard Command inventory. The first ship will be launched in 2027 and the second ship in 2028. Main and auxiliary diesel engines will be indigenous."

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Looks like an Ares design. Interesting aft design, will the RHIBs/USVs be able to be launched from the aft without the need for a crane? And no hangar for a long range ship seems interesting. What do you think @Anmdt ?

That looks very lightly armed, 1 40mm (might be even smaller) and 2 12.7, I think?

 

[TR_123456]

That looks very lightly armed, 1 40mm (might be even smaller) and 2 12.7, I think?

Not enough for a Coast Guard vessel?

 

[boredaf]

Not enough for a Coast Guard vessel?

If the plan is to use it on "open seas" to "protect our rights and interests", yeah, I think it is too light.

 

[Sanchez]

That looks very lightly armed, 1 40mm (might be even smaller) and 2 12.7, I think?

I think for a ship like this being able to operate at rough seas and having water cannons are bigger capabilities. They will be smaller than Dost Class corvettes, which are armed with a twin forty. Navy is already getting enough ships with the OPVs and Istifs, they won't need these. Coast Guard is now fully civilian for better or worse.

I knew I had seen this design before and it was Ares. I'm not sure if that heli landing spot can accommodate a 6 ton helicopter, maybe UAV only. From 2022:

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Looks like Turkish Coast Guard modernization project is reviving. Ares Shipyard introduces an updated design (above) of ARES 65 OPV in CG role.
Notice the new ULAQ variant at the aft-platform. The specs are saying, the side-RHIB stations also supports a variant of ULAQ.

The old design (below) is given for the reference to notice the changes, probably related to an updated requirement.

 

[TR_123456]

If the plan is to use it on "open seas" to "protect our rights and interests", yeah, I think it is too light.

I wanted to answer that its not like these are ''stand alone ships/boats),they are part of our doctrine but @Sanchez already beat me to it.
Btw,the forum is under attack again,thats why everything slow and double triple posts.
We are dealing with it.
Comrade @blackjack ,tell your people to stop the attack,we have no issues with Russia.

 

[boredaf]

I wanted to answer that its not like these are ''stand alone ships/boats),they are part of our doctrine but @Sanchez already beat me to it.
Btw,the forum is under attack again,thats why everything is slow and double triple posts.
We are dealing with it.
Comrade @blackjack ,tell your people to stop the attack,we have no issues with Russia.

And here I thought @Sanchez was just mad at me and fair point both of you, especially about coast guard being more civilian than military.

 

[Anmdt]

We could have the Turkish Karakurt Class with Gezgins instead

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If they were fitting a strike length MIDLAS we would have noticed that from moon.

From Coast Guard 2024 report:

"Within the scope of the National Coast Guard Ship project, 2+6 ships will enter the Coast Guard Command inventory. The first ship will be launched in 2027 and the second ship in 2028. Main and auxiliary diesel engines will be indigenous."

View attachment 73798

Looks like an Ares design. Interesting aft design, will the RHIBs/USVs be able to be launched from the aft without the need for a crane? And no hangar for a long range ship seems interesting. What do you think @Anmdt ?

We shall look at other companies' bid, STM is bidding with 1041/71 and similarly has no proper landing deck while TAIS's bid has a proper 10 tonnes handling capable landing deck.

Since the ship is not made with a dedicated helicopter in mind and it is considered that a helicopter may dispatch from a nearby land, and it is complete another matter to dispatch - retrieve a helicopter in rough seas, it must have been decided that a landing deck or JP5 transfer mechanism at minimum is sufficient.

Though i am surprised we didn't make a coast guard out of Milgem design. 1200 tonnes, 2000 tonnes, what matters that much? Get a Milgem, get it lighter, add MKE 76mm and 25mm's and go. Perfect dual use, ready for action when needed.

Fantasies apart; the shown ship is designed by Ares in cooperation with CG personnel. But SSB will make the final decision. TAIS, STM and ARES and possibly and individual shipyard has got the RfP and will bid, or have bid.

 

[Sanchez]

1200 tonnes, 2000 tonnes,

and the new 3100 tonnes CG-3100 from STM.