Kuasar Marin designed ASFAT 3600 and ASFAT AKDG. They are relabeling the designs they have once made for some customers.
And nothing comes out of this, at least for TN.
I know TN loves designing ships on their own to fully suit their needs but I think, as relations with the UK are at such a high, maybe just licensing Type 31 and fitting it with Turkish subsystem would be a faster solution, no?
Not necessarily, take a look at the failed US frigate program, they tried that and it was spectacular failure. Not all navies share the same requirements for their ships, not just their systems but even the way they are built or their specific dimensions and geometry etc. Maybe it would be easier in this case, maybe not, but it certainly wouldn't be purpose built for our needs.
Well yeah but the americans are noterious for changing "off the shelf" products into development nightmares and with the Type 31 we have seen 3 different navies now model it to their needs.
Wasn’t this one and the second İstif Izmir, due to be sold to Indonesia? If rumours are correct!!
Nothing solid so far. But pennant being painted etc is not a proof of anything as we've seen with Akhisar. She was all ready, had a pennant number, even her shield/crest was ready
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But but but we have Yavuz Barbaros and Gabya class frigates which are still young and capable.Greece to sign deal for up to four FREMM Bergamini frigates with Italy by April 2026
Greece plans to acquire two Italian FREMM Bergamini frigates with option for two more to replace Elli-class ships and expand Hellenic Navy operations in Aegean
Greece is buying 4 FREMM Bergamini class frigates from Italy To complement the 4 Kimon/Belharra Class frigates being delivered from France, and replace te aging Meko-200HN ships. The first 2 ships will be a direct transfer from current Italian inventory; ITS Carlo Bergamini and ITS Virginia Fasan. Remaining 2 ships will follow during the course of the decade. These are 144metre long 6500 ton multi purpose (ASW, ASUW and AD) ships. For such a big ship they only have 2x8 cell VLS, and 8 AShMs. However they have two Oto Melara main guns. According to unconfirmed reports, Greeks will be paying around 700 million Euros for two initial ships (~350 million Euros each).
We are busy selling our İstif Class frigates instead of adding further vessels to our frigate inventory, whilst the Greeks are beefing up their surface fleet.
On the plus side from our point of view, these are big and bulky ships. May be cheaper to buy as second hand. But still costly to maintain. They can be good to carry the flag. But in any war scenario against Türkiye , any ship East of Crete and in the Sea of Islands will only be target practice to Turkish Kara Atmaca and SOM stand off missiles.
At the very, very least I wish they were going all in on USVs, so that we could overwhelm a naval threat through a distributed network that could attack simultaneously from different angles. Marlin can carry Çakır, perhaps even Atmaca, Ulaq can carry Kuzgun TJ, we can still threaten any enemy from stand off distances just through our USVs if we get them in high enough numbers.But but but we have Yavuz Barbaros and Gabya class frigates which are still young and capable.
The oldest is from 1987 the youngest 2003,still good enough for at least another 40 years.
We also have some upgraded OHP(50 years young) class 4000t frigates.
And .... we have one new Istif class from 2024.
Ok,we sold two of the new Istif class but we dont need them now,only in 40 years when the MEKO's become obsolete.
