TR Nuclear Energy Program

[hugh]

And how much space would that take up?
Even if you would build everything locally, how much would that cost?

Besides

Türkiye surpasses 2025 solar target as capacity doubles in 2.5 years | Ember

This study examines the recent development of solar and wind energy capacities in Türkiye in the context of current renewable energy targets and strategies.

ember-energy.org

It would require roughly 190 km^2. So 14km by 14 km is what you pay for national security.

Chernobyl's nuclear exclusion zone was 2600 km^2. It would take a one oopsie from a trigger-happy Putin if we were headbutting with the bear.

 

[Turkic]

I made a back of the envelope calculation and crunched some number to better understand the comparative cost situation of the power plant.

According to Wiki, for 15 years, we are obliged to buy 70% of the electricity produced by the first two reactors and 30% of the electricity produced by the last two reactors. So it's half of the powerplant's produce.

The annual electricity production will be 35 billion kWh. We will buy at least half of it, 17.5 billion kWh per year at a fixed price of $12.35 cents per kWh.
It will cost us 17.5 billions kWh x $0.1235 x 15 years = $32.4 billions.
This number is what we'll be in total in the span of 15 years.

For comparison with grid-scale solar;

The levelized cost of electricity for solar is $3.5 cents per kWh in 2025. This is expected to fall to $2.5 cents in 2035. Since we're making calculations for 15 years we should use the cost of 2032-2033, which we can extrapolate to find at $2.7 cents per kWh.

The total cost equivalent to Akkuyu Nuclear Plant's production in 15 years;
17.5 billions kWh x $0.027 x 15 years = $ 7.09 billions

Even if we included on-site battery storage into the equation it wouldn't even cross the half of what Akkuyu costs us. We would make both panels and the batteries in the country. Attracting the battery makers into producing locally would be easy considering we're throwing billions at them. It offers more grid stability as it can be ramped up and down pretty quickly as opposed to a nuclear power plant. And most importantly, and i cannot emphasize this enough, we would have no nuclear powerplant within our borders, owned and operated by fucking Russians.

So we've been shafted. We've been shafted alright.

Note: Levelized cost of electricity means it includes both the production and the operating costs of the power-plant over its lifetime.

If you mean we should've been building solar panels instead of NPP's and solar panels together, I don't think your post should've gotten "detailed post" mark. Even tho you made some calculations; forming a countries future energy production on systems which aren't controlled by your will but natures, is purest example of bad decision making.

Reason for this has been exampled in west europe. Yes, the problem occured in Spain and couple other countries has a lot of suspecting reasons and we don't know which of these reasons exactly caused it yet. But one of the suspects shows us forming the entirety of a countries energy production on renewable energy highly destabilizes the system. Causing countrywide shutdowns. Even if you say Israel made it, it is still a weakness your enemies can easily use. As perhaps happened.

Now you'll probably ask me what I'm going to say about Russians controlling our need of nuclear fuels. What were we supposed to do ? Buying from French ? Canadians ? SK ? French will always use it as a upper hand in Greece and Cyprus problems. Canada would probably stop providing us nuclear fuels in 2020 saying we will try to find a way to produce nuclear warheads with low-enriched uraniums. I trust Canadians less than I trust Russians. SK can never go against US's will. Japan and Korea's entire economy and Korea's army is reliant on US.

Should we rely to Russians for our NPP's ? No either. But we can't produce them by ourselves yet. We should go with different countries in our first 3 NPP's so we won't be reliant on one country until we build the 4th by our own technology.

Back to the topic, our energy production should be based on renewable and nuclear energy in the same time and also we should have the capacity to produce enough electricity from Natural Gas if needed.

This is the only way for a country with high energy needs like us to secure energy needs.

 

[I_Love_F16]

If you mean we should've been built solar panels instead of NPP's and solar panels together, I don't think your post should've gotten "detailed post" mark. Even tho you made some calculations; forming a countries future energy production on systems which aren't controlled by your will but natures, is purest example of bad decision making.

Reason for this has been exampled in west europe. Yes, the problem occured in Spain and couple other countries has a lot of suspecting reasons and we don't know which of these reasons exactly caused it yet. But one of the suspects shows us forming the entirety of a countries energy production on renewable energy highly destabilizes the system. Causing countrywide shutdowns. Even if you say Israel made it, it is still a weakness your enemies can easily use. As perhaps happened.

Now you'll probably ask me what I'm going to say about Russians controlling our need of nuclear fuels. What were we supposed to do ? Buying from French ? Canadians ? SK ? French will always use it as a upper hand in Greece and Cyprus problems. Canada would probably stop providing us nuclear fuels in 2020 saying we will try to find a way to produce nuclear warheads with low-enriched uraniums. I trust Canadians less than I trust Russians. SK can never go against US's will. Japan and Korea's entire economy and Korea's army is reliant on US.

Should we rely to Russians for our NPP's ? No either. But we can't produce them by ourselves yet. We should go with different countries in our first 3 NPP's so we won't be reliant on one country until we build the 4th by our own technology.

Back to the topic, our energy production should be based on renewable and nuclear energy in the same time and also we should have the capacity to produce enough electricity from Natural Gas if needed.

This is the only way for a country with high energy needs like us to secure energy needs.

I would have preferred South Korea or Japan. Going with either Russia or China isn’t a great idea. Basically we gave Russia another leverage on us that they can utilize if deemed necessary. Terrible planning by our politicians.

 

[No Name]

Here is the latest news from 2 weeks ago, nuclear energy sector is in the 2030 industry and technology strategic plan. FYI FIGES has been working on molten salt reactors for more than 5 years at least already.


https://www.star.com.tr/ekonomi/akk...-yerli-nukleer-reaktor-geliyor-haber-1935972/

isn't molten salt reactors experimental technology and nobody has been able to build a power plant with them yet?

Why didn't they go for a more proven reactor design?

 

[Sanchez]

What were we supposed to do ? Buying from French ? Canadians ? SK ?

What do you mean supposed to? We did not refuse the French offer, French didn't make an offer to us. Neither did Canadians or Korea back in the day. These supposed reasons for having to choose the Russian deal is unfounded.

We required the project to be BOO. Only Russians were dumb/very clever enough to make an offer like that, so Akkuyu. There is no other reason.

 

[TR_123456]

If you mean we should've been built solar panels instead of NPP's and solar panels together, I don't think your post should've gotten "detailed post" mark. Even tho you made some calculations; forming a countries future energy production on systems which aren't controlled by your will but natures, is purest example of bad decision making.

Reason for this has been exampled in west europe. Yes, the problem occured in Spain and couple other countries has a lot of suspecting reasons and we don't know which of these reasons exactly caused it yet. But one of the suspects shows us forming the entirety of a countries energy production on renewable energy highly destabilizes the system. Causing countrywide shutdowns. Even if you say Israel made it, it is still a weakness your enemies can easily use. As perhaps happened.

Now you'll probably ask me what I'm going to say about Russians controlling our need of nuclear fuels. What were we supposed to do ? Buying from French ? Canadians ? SK ? French will always use it as a upper hand in Greece and Cyprus problems. Canada would probably stop providing us nuclear fuels in 2020 saying we will try to find a way to produce nuclear warheads with low-enriched uraniums. I trust Canadians less than I trust Russians. SK can never go against US's will. Japan and Korea's entire economy and Korea's army is reliant on US.

Should we rely to Russians for our NPP's ? No either. But we can't produce them by ourselves yet. We should go with different countries in our first 3 NPP's so we won't be reliant on one country until we build the 4th by our own technology.

Back to the topic, our energy production should be based on renewable and nuclear energy in the same time and also we should have the capacity to produce enough electricity from Natural Gas if needed.

This is the only way for a country with high energy needs like us to secure energy needs.

If there is no other way to start this journey you dont have much choice,do you?
Look at the bigger picture,as with most other projects we started with ''dumb'' deals.

 

[Zafer]

isn't molten salt reactors experimental technology and nobody has been able to build a power plant with them yet?

Why didn't they go for a more proven reactor design?

It is probably not the only technology being worked on. In the development plan there is a technopark on nuclear technology and it shouldn't be for MSR alone.

 

[Turkic]

What do you mean supposed to? We did not refuse the French offer, French didn't make an offer to us. Neither did Canadians or Korea back in the day. These supposed reasons for having to choose the Russian deal is unfounded.

I meant no country would be much better choice than Russians. There is no country that is a perfect choice for us. So we should go with different countries with each NPP. That was my point.

I would have preferred South Korea or Japan. Going with either Russia or China isn’t a great idea. Basically we gave Russia another leverage on us that they can utilize if deemed necessary. Terrible planning by our politicians.

If we can get guarranties to keep US will out of our nuclear energy relations with Japan/SK, you're right.

 

[MhhJA]

Turkish and French Companies to Develop Molten Salt Reactor

Turkey’s only private company developing 4th generation nuclear reactors, ThorAtom, and French sustainable nuclear energy company NAAREA have signed a cooperation agreement for the joint development of molten salt reactor technology.


The agreement between ThorAtom and NAAREA was signed at the 11th Nuclear Power Plants Summit (NPPES), organized in cooperation with the Ankara Chamber of Industry (ASO) and the Nuclear Industry Association (NSD), with the support of the Ministry of Energy and Natural Resources. Anadolu Agency served as the Global Communication Partner of the event.

This agreement, seen as a strategic step towards the expansion of clean, reliable, and scalable next-generation nuclear energy solutions, was signed by Tarık Öğüt, Chairman of the Board of FİGES Group (parent company of ThorAtom), and Jean-Luc Alexandre, CEO of NAAREA.

As part of the cooperation, the production of small modular reactors (SMRs) using molten salt technology is targeted for Turkey and the EMEA region (Europe, Middle East, and Africa). These reactors are to be designed to provide cost-effective and uninterrupted energy for various applications such as electricity generation, thermal energy, and hydrogen production.

In his speech, Öğüt emphasized that molten salt reactors and fuel technologies are among ThorAtom’s priority areas.

Stating that they will carry out studies in the coming years to produce molten salt reactors in Turkey and the EMEA region, Öğüt said:
"This collaboration is just the beginning."

Alexandre expressed his pride and honor in signing the partnership agreement, stating that NAAREA has a strong will to expand into the global market.

He added that they had found the right momentum and the right partners in Turkey:
"We want to develop molten salt reactors faster than ever and work on the fuel cycle, which is the key to this. If we want to decarbonize the world, I believe we have the right partnership and the right people to make it happen – especially in our region and beyond."

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Türk ve Fransız şirketleri, ergimiş tuz reaktörü geliştirecek

Türkiye'nin 4. nesil nükleer reaktör geliştiren tek özel şirketi ThorAtom ile sürdürülebilir nükleer enerji alanında faaliyet gösteren Fransız şirket NAAREA, ergimiş tuz reaktörleri teknolojisinin ortak geliştirilmesi amacıyla işbirliğine imza attı. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Pokemonte13]

Turkish and French Companies to Develop Molten Salt Reactor

Turkey’s only private company developing 4th generation nuclear reactors, ThorAtom, and French sustainable nuclear energy company NAAREA have signed a cooperation agreement for the joint development of molten salt reactor technology.


The agreement between ThorAtom and NAAREA was signed at the 11th Nuclear Power Plants Summit (NPPES), organized in cooperation with the Ankara Chamber of Industry (ASO) and the Nuclear Industry Association (NSD), with the support of the Ministry of Energy and Natural Resources. Anadolu Agency served as the Global Communication Partner of the event.

This agreement, seen as a strategic step towards the expansion of clean, reliable, and scalable next-generation nuclear energy solutions, was signed by Tarık Öğüt, Chairman of the Board of FİGES Group (parent company of ThorAtom), and Jean-Luc Alexandre, CEO of NAAREA.

As part of the cooperation, the production of small modular reactors (SMRs) using molten salt technology is targeted for Turkey and the EMEA region (Europe, Middle East, and Africa). These reactors are to be designed to provide cost-effective and uninterrupted energy for various applications such as electricity generation, thermal energy, and hydrogen production.

In his speech, Öğüt emphasized that molten salt reactors and fuel technologies are among ThorAtom’s priority areas.

Stating that they will carry out studies in the coming years to produce molten salt reactors in Turkey and the EMEA region, Öğüt said:
"This collaboration is just the beginning."

Alexandre expressed his pride and honor in signing the partnership agreement, stating that NAAREA has a strong will to expand into the global market.

He added that they had found the right momentum and the right partners in Turkey:
"We want to develop molten salt reactors faster than ever and work on the fuel cycle, which is the key to this. If we want to decarbonize the world, I believe we have the right partnership and the right people to make it happen – especially in our region and beyond."

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Türk ve Fransız şirketleri, ergimiş tuz reaktörü geliştirecek

Türkiye'nin 4. nesil nükleer reaktör geliştiren tek özel şirketi ThorAtom ile sürdürülebilir nükleer enerji alanında faaliyet gösteren Fransız şirket NAAREA, ergimiş tuz reaktörleri teknolojisinin ortak geliştirilmesi amacıyla işbirliğine imza attı. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Maybe this will also have military use in nukden

 

[UkroTurk]

Turkish and French Companies to Develop Molten Salt Reactor

Turkey’s only private company developing 4th generation nuclear reactors, ThorAtom, and French sustainable nuclear energy company NAAREA have signed a cooperation agreement for the joint development of molten salt reactor technology.


The agreement between ThorAtom and NAAREA was signed at the 11th Nuclear Power Plants Summit (NPPES), organized in cooperation with the Ankara Chamber of Industry (ASO) and the Nuclear Industry Association (NSD), with the support of the Ministry of Energy and Natural Resources. Anadolu Agency served as the Global Communication Partner of the event.

This agreement, seen as a strategic step towards the expansion of clean, reliable, and scalable next-generation nuclear energy solutions, was signed by Tarık Öğüt, Chairman of the Board of FİGES Group (parent company of ThorAtom), and Jean-Luc Alexandre, CEO of NAAREA.

As part of the cooperation, the production of small modular reactors (SMRs) using molten salt technology is targeted for Turkey and the EMEA region (Europe, Middle East, and Africa). These reactors are to be designed to provide cost-effective and uninterrupted energy for various applications such as electricity generation, thermal energy, and hydrogen production.

In his speech, Öğüt emphasized that molten salt reactors and fuel technologies are among ThorAtom’s priority areas.

Stating that they will carry out studies in the coming years to produce molten salt reactors in Turkey and the EMEA region, Öğüt said:
"This collaboration is just the beginning."

Alexandre expressed his pride and honor in signing the partnership agreement, stating that NAAREA has a strong will to expand into the global market.

He added that they had found the right momentum and the right partners in Turkey:
"We want to develop molten salt reactors faster than ever and work on the fuel cycle, which is the key to this. If we want to decarbonize the world, I believe we have the right partnership and the right people to make it happen – especially in our region and beyond."

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Türk ve Fransız şirketleri, ergimiş tuz reaktörü geliştirecek

Türkiye'nin 4. nesil nükleer reaktör geliştiren tek özel şirketi ThorAtom ile sürdürülebilir nükleer enerji alanında faaliyet gösteren Fransız şirket NAAREA, ergimiş tuz reaktörleri teknolojisinin ortak geliştirilmesi amacıyla işbirliğine imza attı. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

I was going to share the news. IMO here is the most important thing is nuclear reactors will be small and modular.
Anyways great project.
Imagine we created floating mini nuclear reactor, Incase of earthquakes would be helpful.
Also we could supply with electricity some African countries.

 

[TR_123456]

Turkish and French Companies to Develop Molten Salt Reactor

Turkey’s only private company developing 4th generation nuclear reactors, ThorAtom, and French sustainable nuclear energy company NAAREA have signed a cooperation agreement for the joint development of molten salt reactor technology.


The agreement between ThorAtom and NAAREA was signed at the 11th Nuclear Power Plants Summit (NPPES), organized in cooperation with the Ankara Chamber of Industry (ASO) and the Nuclear Industry Association (NSD), with the support of the Ministry of Energy and Natural Resources. Anadolu Agency served as the Global Communication Partner of the event.

This agreement, seen as a strategic step towards the expansion of clean, reliable, and scalable next-generation nuclear energy solutions, was signed by Tarık Öğüt, Chairman of the Board of FİGES Group (parent company of ThorAtom), and Jean-Luc Alexandre, CEO of NAAREA.

As part of the cooperation, the production of small modular reactors (SMRs) using molten salt technology is targeted for Turkey and the EMEA region (Europe, Middle East, and Africa). These reactors are to be designed to provide cost-effective and uninterrupted energy for various applications such as electricity generation, thermal energy, and hydrogen production.

In his speech, Öğüt emphasized that molten salt reactors and fuel technologies are among ThorAtom’s priority areas.

Stating that they will carry out studies in the coming years to produce molten salt reactors in Turkey and the EMEA region, Öğüt said:
"This collaboration is just the beginning."

Alexandre expressed his pride and honor in signing the partnership agreement, stating that NAAREA has a strong will to expand into the global market.

He added that they had found the right momentum and the right partners in Turkey:
"We want to develop molten salt reactors faster than ever and work on the fuel cycle, which is the key to this. If we want to decarbonize the world, I believe we have the right partnership and the right people to make it happen – especially in our region and beyond."

---

Türk ve Fransız şirketleri, ergimiş tuz reaktörü geliştirecek

Türkiye'nin 4. nesil nükleer reaktör geliştiren tek özel şirketi ThorAtom ile sürdürülebilir nükleer enerji alanında faaliyet gösteren Fransız şirket NAAREA, ergimiş tuz reaktörleri teknolojisinin ortak geliştirilmesi amacıyla işbirliğine imza attı. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

''ThorAtom'' the name says it,will they work on Thorium reactors maybe hopefully?

 

[Yasar_TR]

''ThorAtom'' the name says it,will they work on Thorium reactors maybe hopefully?

Thorium reactors can be designed to use thorium as fuel. In this format it is no different than Uranium fuelled reactor. Because Thorium 232 is transformed in to Uranium 233 with an addition of a neutron.

But it can be set up to use molten Thorium salt as coolant as well as fuel.
As we have Thorium ore available in Türkiye, this is the logical route to take. These molten salt reactors work at lower pressures (hence safer) and higher temperatures (hence more efficient).

Another good use of it is that, it can use use nuclear waste of other reactors as fuel and thereby decreasing the potential nuclear waste accumulation.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I was going to share the news. IMO here is the most important thing is nuclear reactors will be small and modular.
Anyways great project.
Imagine we created floating mini nuclear reactor, Incase of earthquakes would be helpful.
Also we could supply with electricity some African countries.

russia have them , nuclear reactor energy production on ships , we aslo have them but not nuclear

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946975662410993667

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971288701092364768

I truly hope all of this is not in vain and we actually see positive results.

1. F-35
2. Steady supply of engines for Hürjet and Kaan
3. Removal of CAATSA sanctions

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971288701092364768

I truly hope all of this is not in vain and we actually see positive results.

1. F-35
2. Steady supply of engines for Hürjet and Kaan
3. Removal of CAATSA sanctions

This isnt the thread for it but I Honestly bekieve that the most important threat to Turkey rn is Syria

I would prefer for Turkey to solve the Syrian issue with the US than any of these items being solved as such items can be domesticated sooner or later. However, YPG gainjng statehood will literally translate to a potential civil war in Turkey in the near future in Kurdish areas which something that no CAATSA or F35s will ever solve

 

[TR_123456]

The Chinese Fourth Generation Thorium Molten Salt Reactor (TMSR) is a global breakthrough for cleaner and safer nuclear energy primarily because it leverages the thorium fuel cycle and the molten salt design.

*Cleaner Energy (Sustainable Fuel): By successfully transmuting abundant, naturally occurring Thorium-232 into fissile uranium-233, the TMSR can essentially "breed" its own fuel. This dramatically expands the global nuclear fuel supply, as thorium is 3-4 times more abundant than uranium, securing a sustainable energy source for millennia. Furthermore, the thorium cycle produces significantly less long-lived, high-level radioactive waste compared to conventional uranium reactors, simplifying long-term disposal to about 300 years instead of thousands.


*Safer Energy (Inherent Safety): The molten salt design eliminates the high-pressure cooling systems of traditional reactors. It is equipped with a passive safety feature—a freeze plug—that melts if the reactor overheats or loses power. This allows the liquid fuel to drain into a safe, subcritical tank, automatically and passively shutting down the reaction and virtually eliminating the risk of a catastrophic meltdown. The low-pressure operation also removes the potential for explosive pressure failures.

This achievement validates a path to nuclear power that is both fuel-secure and inherently safer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1985004157858902423

 

[Sanchez]

So no update on the second site 2 years on.


This is very interesting however. Many possibilities there.

I bet the Canadians were courteous enough to give a little non comitted retort that our minister is exaggerating. The same could probably be said about the others.

I mean what has changed that SK and Canada would be interested in building a NPP in Türkey ?

I mean Akkuyu preliminary work started in 2010.

"We continue our negotiations with the world's leading companies regarding the large-scale nuclear power plants we plan to build in our country.

In this context, we hosted Mr. Ian L. Edwards, President and CEO of Canada-based AtkinsRealis, which develops technology solutions on a global scale in the field of nuclear energy, and the accompanying delegation at our Ministry.

During our meeting, we discussed cooperation opportunities of CANDU technology for the nuclear power plants we plan to build in Sinop and Thrace Region."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986503850480800137

Both sites have been talked about with the Chinese, Russians, Americans and now Canadians.

 

[TR_123456]

"We continue our negotiations with the world's leading companies regarding the large-scale nuclear power plants we plan to build in our country.

In this context, we hosted Mr. Ian L. Edwards, President and CEO of Canada-based AtkinsRealis, which develops technology solutions on a global scale in the field of nuclear energy, and the accompanying delegation at our Ministry.

During our meeting, we discussed cooperation opportunities of CANDU technology for the nuclear power plants we plan to build in Sinop and Thrace Region."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986503850480800137

Both sites have been talked about with the Chinese, Russians, Americans and now Canadians.

We need to talk to the Chinese about their new Thorium reactor.