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None of the incentives works, from money to housing, South Korea spent $150 billion to help childbearing costs.
The solution in the future is going to be artificial wombs. The government taxes the citizens, each citizens provide sperm/eggs, and the Government raises these children through citizens' taxes. View attachment 68163
It sounds whacky and radical but this will happen, many scientists already say you can grow a baby completely in the lab, this is already possible with today's technology.

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time to call the Brotherhood of steel i guess

 

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Vatgrown citizens. The idea is too far away now, but we can't know with the demographic ice age.

If the children were to be healthy in mind and body, I'm completely open to the idea.
 

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YOU ARE a kriegsman ofc you will be open for the idea lol
"In life, war. In death, peace. In life, shame. In death, atonement."

Soriously though, vitae bombs may well be the solution to our population problem. However, I think we have to make sure it's technically possible to grow healthy humans in artificial wombs first. If I was a Bond villain, I'd fund the sh*t out of it.
 

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Vatgrown citizens. The idea is too far away now, but we can't know with the demographic ice age.

If the children were to be healthy in mind and body, I'm completely open to the idea.
@Asena_great I'm just gonna say this, Y'all overthinking this.

If you want to know any more, DM me.
 

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Or you could give families and mothers what they need to bring children to the world.
 

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Or you could give families and mothers what they need to bring children to the world.
Japan and South Korea prove money is not the issue. Neoliberal urban lifestyle always leads to demographic winters.

We have three and a half choices: end women's liberation, accept demographic winter, accept mass migration, or somehow figure out industrial scale baby production. One has to choose between one of them.
 

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Japan and South Korea prove money is not the issue. Neoliberal urban lifestyle always leads to demographic winters.

We have three and a half choices: end women's liberation, accept demographic winter, accept mass migration, or somehow figure out industrial scale baby production. One has to choose between one of them.

You think that Saudi Arabia has a neoliberal lifestyle? Thats BS.
Wealth or a higher income leads to fewer children, regardless of lifestyles all over the world.

How to solve it is an entire different and difficult question.
We should consider controlled immigration from Central Asian & Balkan countries imo. But we dont have the necessary attractiveness to pull that off.
 

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You think that Saudi Arabia has a neoliberal lifestyle? Thats BS.
Wealth or a higher income leads to fewer children, regardless of lifestyles all over the world.

How to solve it is an entire different and difficult question.
We should consider controlled immigration from Central Asian & Balkan countries imo. But we dont have the necessary attractiveness to pull that off.
Perhaps I couldn't explain myself fully. When I say neoliberal lifestyle, I mean:
  • Women going into the workforce
  • Debt based personal finance being widespread (most often credit cards or student loan debt)
  • Late marriage due to long education
  • Urbanization (apartments instead of houses)
  • Atomization of individuals (weak family ties)
  • Westernized cultural attitudes (hookup culture, party life)
  • Easy divorce
These things make reproduction very hard. Under these conditions, people choose to forego making babies. It's a pretty logical choice for individuals, but a disaster for societies. Regarding wealth causing the demographic winter, it's not that clear-cut. I have limited knowledge of Saudi anthropology, but I'd bet some of these factors are in play.

The real problem is, a modern economy can't make do without women in the workforce or apartments or credit cards. Genie's out of the bottle.

I believe solving the population crisis will be the biggest global issue going into 2040s, and all kinds of radical ideas will take hold. Artifical womb technology will be one of them. Another will be limiting women's rights. We are currently trying the mass migration but I believe the crises that will cause will end that whole thing.
 

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The real problem is, a modern economy can't make do without women in the workforce or apartments or credit cards. Genie's out of the bottle.

Sure it can.

It will price in a "halved" labour force....and then all prices that are referenced and based on it that signal to other forces (people often assume these will magically hold when they wont, they will adjust to the social current).

Definition of the modern economy has been co-opted by the (western sense of) left for decades now. Keynesian statism especially (given this is what most appeals sociologically to insular elitists for all kind of self reinforcing and immoral reasons).

When it comes to the individual country, there is no need to march off cliff just because everyone else is. Those countries that can socially engineer their society to more family rearing narrative again will gain a long term advantage over others (its called investment....social investment is literally what makes organised well-founded hierarchies in the small and larger scale for civilisations to grow and prosper to what we have today).

The whole narrative has to change from the get go back to something more balanced. i.e importance of rearing children and strong family unit first....and the value of doing that (rather than the inversion that has been sold to many women in the developed world that children and families are a burden and that extreme careerhood is feminist liberation etc).

A career only if it can be balanced around that.

Then and only then will you get some idea of market failure interventions (i.e extra incentive pricing mechanisms) needed w.r.t family rearing.

Otherwise you are trying to mop an issue with the tap left on full flow.....as social narratives are upstream and extremely strong force versus economics in the end.

I agree with much of what you are saying though.
 

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🚨 The document regarding the sale of the public lodging belonging to the Ankara Metropolitan Municipality and allocated to the Ministry of Justice to the Ankara Chief Public Prosecutor of the time, Yüksel Kocaman, came to light.

🛑 T24: "The document is dated March 25, 2019.

💰 In the approval prepared by ANFA for the sale, it was noteworthy that Kocaman made a request with a petition dated March 22, 2019.

📝 Kocaman's request was processed by ANFA management within three days and finalized against 620 thousand TL."

💭 Kocaman, who was found to have gifted luxury villas and cars to the leader of the criminal organization, Ayhan Bora Kaplan, was appointed as a member of the Court of Cassation by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on September 14, 2023.
 

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Innovation Party Chairman Öztürk Yılmaz:

• Ülkü Quarries should be closed! It has turned into terror, drugs, mafia, rent and gangs!

• There is no state within a state! The PKK is martyring our soldiers in the mountains, and the mafias in the Ülkü Quarries are killing us politicians in the city. There are some political parties behind them!

• That's why we can't prosecute those involved in crimes! These are the things that come out from under every stone! In the assassination of me, Grey Wolves mafiosi were used as subcontractors. The Sinan Ateş file is the same!

Is this the first time the idealist hearths were called out like this ?
 

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Another megalomaniac nitwit who'd sell the country for a penny.

BTW, What are your thoughts about the word "kurdistan" and the Gulenists?

I'm asking for a friend...

How do you know ? His tweets are pretty consistent and he is a former ambassador.

Kurdistan is just a word, it has no power over me, Gulenists are just the cult to hate currently, there are many like it the government ignores
 

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He is %100 correct on this one.
I'd like to see them try this.

This twat was hiding under the table all the time pissing his pants in the Mosul consulate incident and as soon as he was saved started badmouthing Türkiye and its presence in N. Iraq.
A coward and a traitor like him would abolish everything from Mavi Vatan to Turkish military presence abroad if they ever came to power.

You should put that party's emblem on your avatar then :rolleyes:
 

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I'd like to see them try this.

This twat was hiding under the table all the time pissing his pants in the Mosul consulate incident and as soon as he was saved started badmouthing Türkiye and its presence in N. Iraq.
A coward and a traitor like him would abolish everything from Mavi Vatan to Turkish military presence abroad if they ever came to power.

You should put that party's emblem on your avatar then :rolleyes:

You mean the incident where the government let ISIS take over a consulate for months? Why is he a coward and traitor exactly?

I don't blame the guy for bad mouthing Erdogan after that incident, even if he doesn't have evidence for some of his claims about Erdogan letting ISIS take over the consulate so they can negotiate over oil in Syria.
 

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A post was shared from the account of the leader of the criminal organization, Ayhan Bora Kaplan:

"When you look at all the opposition media, they say 'Bora Kaplan is guilty' even though they don't know the contents of the dossier.

The main reason they are saying this is because of my picture taken on the night of July 15 and my nationalist stance."

"Everyone I don't like is FETÖ"
 

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