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Does democracy give you the right to beat police officers, destroy public property, and threaten national security?
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If the global Zionist agenda is to destroy Muslims then you have to radicalise them. Make them fanatical like the wahhabists, make them incompatible with the rest of the world. Make them violent and intellectually bankrupt. I know in England Muslims are generally despised, for the most part their behaviour over here played into the hands of the enemy. In general no-one non-Muslim likes Muslims. In fact the common non-Muslim generally sees Islam as a backward and barbaric religion. The common Turk must not allow himself to be brainwashed by this neo-wahhabist agenda taking place in all the mosques across the UK.
In a way we see the repeat of the British backed wahhabist movements against the Ottoman state. Play the oppressed victim and then claim the "secular Turk" is an enemy of Islam. Just like they claimed the Ottoman caliph and the Turks were Kafirs in order to arouse the arabs to revolt against the Ottomans. Today the Arabs belong to the white man in their entirety. All the holy sites are under Anglo-American control. Saudi is no more then a British/American vassal.
Because at the end of the day the international banking system is owned and controlled by non-Muslims. Nearly the entire globes major defence industries are non-Muslim. Most of the international media is controlled by the non-Muslim or the ones that appear Muslim controlled are no more then Vassals to the Anglo-American world. What matters is what you own and control, not how many you number. The Jews show Muslims very well what 20 million people highly organised and determined can do against 1.5 billion Muslims who for the most part produce and invent nothing except radical ideologies and behavioural patterns.
Muslims are being set up and like the Marxists love to do, they always manipulate the abundance of useful idiots to operate against their own interests. If the common Muslim behaved like the common Turkish Cypriot Muslims here in the UK, it would be near impossible to dehumanise these people and their faith.
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these are the one who cried victim for 20 years oppression this oppression that ! now they say to portion of population you will receive an iron fist an imam in a house of god were build by our tax money and his salary paid by us !! ! in the last election when everyone thought Erdogan would lose there was an imam who show 2 of his hand guns and said i have 2 guns with full magazines if we loose the elections i know what to do with them ( will shoot the people who are celebrating )!!!! he also invite other islamist to bring their guns in 28 mayıs the day of the second round of last presidential elections
this is the truth of zalim islam not only in turkey but all of Muslim countries !! !! only once islam dies we can progress and improve our country and our lives ! currently 20% to 26% of turkey has left islam and become irreligious but that is not enough. only a religion can kill another religion, we must weaponized Tengrism against islam that is the best reaction against these so called Muslims
edit : with a civil war the arabization of turkey will be complete we become another Egypt ,syria iraq where people dont see each other as a citizins but rather divided on sectarian lines this is the islamist mission since 80s. they wanted a civil war since time of erbakan, that's why they brought 15 million illegal aliens to help them win the civil war. and dont worry this time we wont walk away from our rights !!!
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Nobody was destroying public property or threatening national security (quite the opposite with the latter). And yes, police are in fact supposed to be trained to take harassment from angry civilians without responding with violence unless they are being threatened with death. It’s literally part of their job description. Especially since in this case they are defending a very malevolent government.
It’s a very sad state of affairs when people justify cops acting like vicious lap dogs. I’ve had enough of it in the US and I’m not even going to talk about Azerbaijan where it’s sadly accepted as something people have to live with.
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Nop, they're not defending the government but, Turkish state security.
So, is hitting a policeman not considered a treat?!!
is digging up graves not considered vandalism?
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- nope! they are not defending Turkish state security. They’re simply terrorizing Turkish citizens with an average age of 21 who are exercising their constitutional rights of gathering (article 34).
So yeah, Oranges and apples, you know.
- you keep saying that they hit police post after post which is, I hate to say this, but a lie. Please stop spreading lies. It’s not nice.
- Digging up, disturbing graves are considered in every Abrahamic religion and most cultures as sacrilege. I can assure you that as a Turk brought up in Turkey, Turks are most respectful to cemeteries.
No graves were dug, however. Only couple tombstones were tipped over while some the demonstrators jumped over the fence and fell on them. It was stated so by the CHP chairman personally at the very cemetery before live TV cameras.
I can respect your fervent enthusiasm and support for current Turkish government but Let’s keep lies out of our conservations please.
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These events are not a lie. Weren't the demonstrations in defense of the Istanbul governor? Where did the talk of Article 34 of the Constitution come from? They tried to cover up the real problem of İmamoğlu, which no one is talking about: the accusation of corruption by causing chaos in the country. How can they claim patriotism and call for a boycott of national products?
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example of western islamists playing the same game the western backed wahhabists played against the Ottomans. Remember Turks these people hate you and most of them are doing the work of the westerner while posing as defenders of the faith.
Outside of talking shit, begging for donations, making the non-Muslim hate Muslims even more and working to divide the Muslim world they produce nothing positive for Islam. Either a useful idiot or on the British payroll.
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Again, those are lies. You were not able to produce a single proof to support your claims, only official lines of the government.
Article 34 was always there for every citizen to enjoy and exercise that right as they please. So, I dont really understand the question.
Even if they tried to cover up Imamoglu’s corruption, prosecutor and the court accepted the detaining and arrest of a suspect by a so called “secret” witness‘ testimony, a hearsay, is abhorrent and travesty of law. It’s the textbok definition of violation of due process which btw should be end up releasing the suspect.
And finally, I believe they also have a right to boycott any brand just as much as those who did so earlier for the Palestinian cause.
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It is why Ataturk republicanism (secularism, cohesive nationalism) route for Turkiye has served it so well....and bought an incredible amount of respect from larger world in both realpolitik realised way, intellectual and moral essence/ideological way (from those that "get" things in bigger picture).
This is also why/how things get built up subversion pressure if proper care is not taken at critical points of time regarding the republic...and before you know it you got large block of religious bigot numpties that emotionally scapegoat and delude themselves each weakness/fault is indicative of the republic (and Ataturk by extension)....and throw baby out with bathwater on everything that matters to the republic. i.e what percentage of Turks are directly "umtards" themselves or held in some ideological sway/coercion to them....or some frivolous political transactionalism, what have you.
India sadly experiencing same thing in its own context, religious majoritarian bigots are a real corrupt cultish disease as they are anti-reality, anti-republic and anti-constitution and go for "might is right" in their delusional fancy and know nothing of the damage they do when their political prima donnas and triumphalist crap is able to take power to inflict things on the whole to degree they can. Where everything then relies on resistance to this and wishing for less squandering from the better-minded political leaders to have done a far better job upstream to not give any room for this cascade to have taken effect.
One key difference though is that the Hinduism (and thus Hindutva which is the equivalent to Islamism) largely exists within India only....and India is almost 1.5 billion number you mention for Muslims globally (and the separate identities/ideologies/contexts that intersect with them to resort to and/or inculcate islamism to overarch/compensate for).
This means a new angle of subversion vector for Turkiye from the population differential ratio alone on size of Muslim population outside Turkiye to begin with and the why/how of Islamist currents that foment there separate to Turkish context altogether (and sometimes quite virulently anti-Turkish).
This is what wise and sane properly Nationalist Turks long know about, but have to grapple with intensely now, there is no other choice given what is at stake in the end. You import umtards (physically or mentally), you become another version of them and the damage they have done to large parts of Muslim world already is the consequence Turks will be saddled with quite unfortunately. This is what made Ataturk exceptional to rise above this morass, incredible how many people seem to not get this in the republic 100 years later.
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“19:05. Mecidiyeköy Metro exit.
They demand masks to be removed.”
Mr. Mahmut Tanal:
“Article 20 of our Constitution regulates the principle of "privacy of private life", and Article 13 regulates the principle of fundamental rights and freedoms that can only be limited by law.
taking facial images which is personal data, for transferring to any records without one’s consent for identification purposes is tagging.”
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this is getting ridiculous
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Erdogan is trying to speedrun the Louis XVI ending at this point. Don’t see it ending any other way for him, he’s going deeper into the grave.
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this is montaj video of erdogan showing a violent protest from Georgia were people throwing Molotov as recent protests. just like the time of last election erdogan doing montaj videos again soon he will find an excuse to crack hard just like the time of gezi where he said there was a gang rape on women with headscarf they took her headscarf stomp it under their boots then piss on it eeeeeeeeeeeyyyyy başörtulu bacimmmmm etc then use violence on protestors !! later after checking 69 security cameras we couldn't find the evidence !! and he was lying the whole time !! the reasons trump is supporting him is probably is because of Erdogan's second peace process with PKK and release of öcalan. also we are not sure whether the police who are craking on people are turkish they can be syrias or afghans erdogan took them in army and police force and there is a Sadat terrorist group full of foreigners that want a create country called asrika with capital of Istanbul and official language of arabic. this force can be use against Turkish people as well !
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I think that democracy gives you the right to express your discontent with the incumbent government. If that government bans public expression of discontent and attempts to enforce that anti-democratic behaviour, it is creating problems.
Should demonstrators beat police? No. Should police beat demonstrators? No. Should demonstrators destroy property? No. Protesting against the suppression of democracy in a democracy does not threaten national security.
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When a democratic country elects a head of state who does not observe the constitution, how do you force him out of power without having to wait for the people to vote him out at the next election?
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Parliament,2/3 votes him out but the percentage depends on the country,some more some less.
''Vote of no confidence'' i believe.
