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Devlet Bahçeli: "The President should have two deputies.

One should be Kurdish and the other Alawi. (Ismail Saymaz)


MHP is considering launching an Alawi peace process. Devlet Bahçeli is financing an Alawi community center (Cemevi). The inauguration ceremony might be held on the anniversary of the republic.
 
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Devlet Bahçeli: "The President should have two deputies.

One should be Kurdish and the other Alawi. (Ismail Saymaz)


MHP is considering launching an Alawi peace process. Devlet Bahçeli is financing an Alawi community center (Cemevi). The inauguration ceremony might be held on the anniversary of the republic.
Does he mean in Turkey or Syria?
 

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Devlet Bahçeli: "The President should have two deputies.

One should be Kurdish and the other Alawi. (Ismail Saymaz)


MHP is considering launching an Alawi peace process. Devlet Bahçeli is financing an Alawi community center (Cemevi). The inauguration ceremony might be held on the anniversary of the republic.
Dumb move,this only creates divide.
I wonder what Alpaslan Türkes would have done with this guy?
 

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Turkish politics is mad.
Turkish politics has moved to another level, I’m afraid.
Now it’s nothing more than a small merry band made of distant cliques driven by one single goal. Allocating the wealth of nation for their own end and shaking hands on dividing, trenching out people and destroying the country at the end. And yet, despite their small numbers, they dominate the entire populace in blocks while the latter sheepishly submit their existence to them in return.

It’s like a plot from 70s Hammer horror films where the entire town was put under the spell of a fiendish cult and worshipping their masters.
The metaphor irks you think but it’s so clear and visible.
 

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Turkish politics has moved to another level, I’m afraid.
Now it’s nothing more than a small merry band made of distant cliques driven by one single goal. Allocating the wealth of nation for their own end and shaking hands on dividing, trenching out people and destroying the country at the end. And yet, despite their small numbers, they dominate the entire populace in blocks while the latter sheepishly submit their existence to them in return.

It’s like a plot from 70s Hammer horror films where the entire town was put under the spell of a fiendish cult and worshipping their masters.
The metaphor irks you think but it’s so clear and visible.
Sadly, I think this was always going to be the result of the Republic, given that the Ottoman sultans spent the entire 1800s combating this type of short-sighted greed by local popular rulers who constantly tried to hollow out the state.

Turkish culture requires a constant unifying force to counter the population's self-destructive impulses. During the 1800s, it was the Ottoman sultans and the institutions they were trying to create. Still, after the republic was founded, it was the military, which in turn was a by-product of the Ottoman Sultan's legacy.

But do to the very nature of the government, Atatürk founded a republic, which put the military in a subordinate role, thus, to the very force that it was established to resist.

The biggest irony of Turkish politics is that AKP praises the Ottoman Empire will destroy its most important legacy left to the Turkish people, all the while cursing Atatürk, whose decisions paved the way for them to get control of the very state apparatus and run around unchecked.
 

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Turkish culture requires a constant unifying force to counter the population's self-destructive impulses.
Every culture, for that matter, is a bit self destructive for there are other attachments such as religion, ethnicity even economical modes.

That need of Turkish culture, however, was met by a simple solution called nation state. It worked. It was the bonding element of an entire nation, unlike ummah, millet system of Ottomans where was bound to doom in the end. And it did collapse. It worked until recently.
Until an artificial cry designed for division that didn‘t rise from the ranks of population. This not a natural demand that outburst and shake the state to its core. This is not a push as a result of natural dynamics of people.
No my friend. This is fait accompli!
 

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Devlet Bahçeli: "The President should have two deputies.

One should be Kurdish and the other Alawi. (Ismail Saymaz)


MHP is considering launching an Alawi peace process. Devlet Bahçeli is financing an Alawi community center (Cemevi). The inauguration ceremony might be held on the anniversary of the republic.
This is literally the Lebanese model; are these people just plain traitors or are they that stupid? Or do they think nobody realizes where all of this comes from?
 

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This is literally the Lebanese model; are these people just plain traitors or are they that stupid? Or do they think nobody realizes where all of this comes from?
Stupid? No. Traitor? Yes.

Bahceli especially would have been better of just coming out as gay instead of this. Then again who knows what kinda blackmail they have on him.

These plans and projects will fail either way. They achieve nothing but generate exactly the opposite from what these treasonous snakes want it to.

It also finally shows certain passive Turks how the people they call "siblings" view them.

Younger Turks are just getting more and more nationalistic. 10 years ago a Turkish leftist would have never shot against a certain party or group, now even they started talking about them negatively.

Good. This country needs to wake up and realize how many enemies it has within and that nothing will change as long as they don't take back control of it.
 

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The idiot should understand that Alaviths are religional group unlike the Kurds! ( Nonetheless most of Kurds identifies themselves as Türk)
So matching Turks against Alaviths is fatal error.

We all Turks had been Alaviths in Anatolia. Look at Balkans , in 15 century there were Bektashis.



I dunno if even answering such idiotic proposal would be more idiotic than proposal.
 

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That need of Turkish culture, however, was met by a simple solution called nation state. It worked.
You say it worked, but every single decade, there was a need for a Coup. As soon as the CHP stopped being a single-party dictatorship, Turkey's system started to fall apart. Don't you remember Adnan Menderes and the Democrat Party?

Let's face it, the system was never going to work, and it is one of the reasons why I'm a monarchist and why I think Atatürk should have either made himself or Ömer Faruk Osmanoğlu the sultan instead of creating the republic after the war. There needs to be a person that embodies the state that can fight against institutional erosion and governemnt curruption.

To those wondering why I said Prince Ömer Faruk, it is because he attempted to join the nationalist movement during the war but was rejected by Atatürk and all other members of the Ottoman family.
 
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Sadly, I think this was always going to be the result of the Republic
the key part of republic is constitution which currently ignored by those who are in power constitution especially the first 4 item clearly forbite what currently Erdogan is suggesting not only that constitution reject the even these thing be suggested ! and we cant even call this a democracy since people vote against PKK in last election now Erdogan doing 180 degree turn so what is this reminded you ?? yeah the time when one man could do anything they like, like the time of abdul hamid ii who give also of powers to none turks under the name of pan Islamism were those people use it for their own nationalist agenda to divide the empire more as well as loosing so much land and being absolutely incompetent until he was overthrown by young turks and put stop to his pan islamism madness

republic system was working and people had right to choose what they wanted until islamist came and destroyed it now you blame the failure of this new regime which is a neither a republic and as of 2023 election nor is a democracy on republic system ?? you truly are a man with ill intention

You say it worked, but every single decade, there was a need for a Coup
what the fuck are you talking about you ignored cahil. turkey had only 2 coup one was in 27 maıys 1960 other one was 12 eylül 1980

the 1960 coup did happened because of imbalanced in constitution that give so much power to government while parliament power was much less hence after the coup new constitution prepared to empower the parliament and with in 1 year turkey return to democracy. 1980 coup happened because turkey due to the stupidity of political class who polarized the society as well as cold war interference of soviet and CIA drive the country to edge of civil war. moreover the politician refuse to work together to form a coalition government army give memorandum if they don't work together then army will stage a coup politician knowingly refuse because it was political suicide for them after they polarized the society to that level. after the coup again just like 1960s coup university professors called as task to find the weakness of political system and fix it. within one year new constitution put in on referendum and turkey return to democracy

where is a coup every decade you Liar ??

. As soon as the CHP stopped being a single-party dictatorship


again you Liar. CHP during single party wasn't a dictatorship the reason it was a single party was because there wasn't enough educated turks around to from a functioning multiparty democracy. also since literacy rate was only 5% general election postponed until illiteracy rate could cover majority of people anyone who was educated enough was invited to do politics and help govern the country including adnan menderes who was discovered by ataturk and send to be future educated. within the single party there was different faction who freely compete with one another and had elections . they were basically seeds to form new parties in future and turn turkey into munity party democracy

Let's face it, the system was never going to work, and it is one of the reasons why I'm a monarchist and why I think Atatürk should have either made himself or Ömer Faruk Osmanoğlu the sultan instead of creating the republic after the war. There needs to be a person that embodies the state that can fight against institutional erosion and governemnt curruption.
system were working fine until islamist with the help of Americans show up and demolished it and now you blame the failure of this one man islamic system on republic ?? are you high ? btw the system you are defending is the current system of turkey where 1 single person do whatever he likes ad there is no check and balances


all i hear from you is misinformation and propaganda likes of which i only heard from CIA blacked islamist groups such as Fetö and im pretty sure this is not due to your ignorance but rather ill intention. also im still waiting for your answer about the young Turks
 
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