Ardabas34
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Thank you for your kind words. I engage in discussions with people I disagree with no matter what their ideology is. I think reaching out to reality is a very hard task for our easy to be deluded human minds. So the best way is to always obsessively think whether there is a slight chance that the other side is right about at least one thing.You are wise enough to read current players bravo for that and still posses Türlük Bilinci unlike many so called Kemalists walking around with Ataturk avatars.I am honestly impressed.You should also search why three generals and Ümit Özdağ did resign from IYI Party to understand how far opposition parties infiltrated.
I engaged in discussions with some TGB kids in my university. I have met them in Atatürkçü Düşünce Kulübü. They kind of had taken over the club when I came. They were insistingly trying to convert me to TGB. Anyway they were very anti-CHP and even seemed supportive of AKP. This frustrated me at first but I didnt bail out and tried to engage with them. This seemed to be a very unique political stance and I tried to understand their mentality.
And you know what? I couldnt bend their wrists!
At that time I believed CHP only temporarily cooperates with HDP for the greater good. That they prioritized AKP as the number one threat and decided to call ayı, dayı until passing the bridge. These kids asked me some questions that I couldnt answer.
1) Them: How did Kemal Kiliçdaroglu come to power in CHP?
Me: He came to power after casette operation of Feto.
Then I was going to tell them this doesnt mean he himself has to be a Gulenist or alligned with Gulenists but I realised it would be stupid of Gulenists to just remove the guy on top of CHP so that the next guy who has no affiliations with them would make it to the power. Why would they do that? If the next guy is going to be the same as previous guy, why would Gulenists put effort into removing the guy on top? Obviously they knew, the following guy is at least more useful to them.
2) Them: You think CHP tolerates some HDP-like politicians like Canan in order to get Kurdish bases votes. How do you explain Sezgin Tanrikulu? He isnt even that prominent to Kurdish voter base. He is a blown out cover CIA agent. Why is CHP tolerating to such a person in such a prominent place in their party?
I couldnt answer.
3) Kemal Kilicdaroglu defended Nazli Ilicak. This person was prominent at slandering our patriotic soldiers in Ergenekon and Balyoz suitcases. What good would it bring to CHP to defend such a traitor terrorist? I couldnt answer.
The only thing I could do was using whataboutism and saying but Akp is the one that served Feto all this time and did the ''solution process'' with Pkk and Erdogan said he was the prosecutor of Ergenekon and Balyoz.
They told me they dont like Erdogan or Akp neither but since around 2015 Erdogan fell off with all these globalist powers (liboşlar, gulenists, pkk) and started fighting with them and the state, Mhp etc decided to use Erdogan instead of sending his ass in 2015. This is why after years of mutual insults they suddenly allied in 2015.
The one question of mine they couldnt answer was however: ''if this is indeed the case why doesnt Akp struggle with gulenists in the politics, rejecting CHP and IYIPs proposal of investigation of the political dimension of Gulenist movement?''
Right now I think this was because Erdogan, despite falling off with the Gulen movement; his party was basically too mixed and affiliated with gulenists that he couldnt basically afford that. So he basically kept the people who decided to remain loyal to him rather than Gulen.
About IYIP, dont worry. They have not one bit of my trust neither.
Secular Turks were too fast at embracing their ''Meral Ana'' but Aksener has always been a dark figure in our history. She was the minister of interior during Tansu Ciller era. A dark era marked in our history with very controversial events.
Not many know, she herself admitted in her Haberturk interview, she was one of the founding members of AKP.
So what does this mean? She did share that foundation mentality. Political islam alligned with liboş, gulenists and pkk. Akp's foundation mentality has been the most traitorous mentality in the history of republic of Turkey. After 2015 at least they started to deal with some malign cells. They are still fucking up the education, jurisdical system, economy etc but at least they somehow started dealing with some malign cells.
She also protects a Gulenist, Buğra Kavuncu in his party. All the real patriots that participated in the foundation of IYIP left the party. Umit Ozdag, Yusuf Halaçoglu, Ali Türkşen etc. Only Yavuz Ağıralioğlu remains.
Long story short. We are given death so we can we consent with malaria.
Our politics, our assembly is under enemy siege from every side. I dont even know whether I should vote under this circumstances. My only hope is Muharrem Ince but even he made some controversial things such as criticising Kılıçdar for not being thankful enough to HDP for winning Istanbul.
I really hope the political conjuncture will change until 2023. Our assembly is literally under siege from every side.
Akp- Corrupt, mafiatic, ikhwanist-Death.
Chp- Globalist, Gulenist-Death
MHP- Mafiatic, didnt go to Anitkabir in 23 April therefore worrying regarding the ideology in charge
IYIP- Gulenist- Death
HDP- Do I need to tell?
Deva/Gelecek- Worse than death, literally the worst parts of Akp in foundation
Saadet: Sharia death.
If you realised there isnt a Kemalist party in the assembly right now. Despite the fact that there is a huge Kemalist voter base in the country. If this is the reality, then this means something is intervening with our democracy. Because there is supply and demand right? There is a huge demand for a Kemalist party but there is no supply.
This means one thing: Kemalism is under siege.
Edit: I disagreed with them on the patriotic character of Dogu Perincek. Dogu Perincek is basically the voice of China/Russia. So he looks patriotic right now simply because right now all the major threats towards our country(Pkk, liboş, Gulenists) are directed from the US. He used to support PKK when they were a Soviet proxy. He was against Turkish peace operation against Cyprus because back then Greek administration in Cyprus was leftist.
Also unlike what they claim, Russia isnt our ally. Sure we can collaborate with them in issues regarding Gulenists or the US presence in the area in general but they also try to encircle us in Syria, Iraq. They martyred our soldiers. I do agree with them on we should collaborate more with Russia but I disagree with their notion on the character of relationship we have with Russia.
Also a small tactical difference, I believe we can use our Nato membership as a leverage against the US while they want Turkey out immediately.
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