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[Tsenal]

Looks like they still depend heavily on foreign suppliers. If they develop the critical subcomponents for TF-6000, it will make the development of future turbofans easier.

 

[Radonsider]

What I am thinking rn is that doesn't UAE has the license for Bl60 and more importantly, F110 GE 132.


Getting the license to build them here or get some tech from that engine wouldn't be so bad huh?

 

[Merzifonlu]

After watching this video, I felt both a little bit disappointed and a little bit angry.

Because Prof. Dr. Akşit thought that the TEİ TF6000 engine accessories would be easily outsourced as before and therefore predicted the first quarter of 2023 for the first start-up.

However, someone in his position and his experience should have foreseen that the Westerners would use every possible means to impose an embargo on the production of domestic military turbofan engines.

 

[Zafer]

We don't need outside help to make our planes fly we only need to work harder to make them in house. We can see how Aselsan can locally make imported parts through local industry companies. Same process can be started sooner than later for TEI projects.

 

[Rodeo]

After watching this video, I felt both a little disappointed and a little angry.

Because Prof. Dr. Akşit thought that the TEİ TF6000 engine accessories would be easily outsourced as before and therefore predicted the first quarter of 2023 for the first start-up.

However, someone in his position and his experience should have foreseen that the Westerners would use every possible means to impose an embargo on the production of domestic military turbofan engines.

We're climbing a much more steep hill than our western counterparts. Having to engineer every single sub-component yourself regardless how trivial the part is ridiculous. It dilutes our efforts and spreading thinner our limited engineering talent. But that's the reality we're facing and we, somehow, have to muddle through.

 

[TR_123456]

We don't need outside help to make our planes fly we only need to work harder to make them in house. We can see how Aselsan can locally make imported parts through local industry companies. Same process can be started sooner than later for TEI projects.

What happened,did we acquire alien tech or something that you talk about not needing outside help?
Engine reverse engineering doesnt work in this case so forget that,to complicated,even the Chinese couldnt do it.

 

[TR_123456]

We're climbing a much more steep hill than our western counterparts. Having to engineer every single sub-component yourself regardless how trivial the part is ridiculous. It dilutes our efforts and spreading thinner our limited engineering talent. But that's the reality we're facing and we, somehow, have to muddle through.

If we want to be independent we have to have everything needed inhouse,no matter how ridiculous it sounds or looks.
Either that or accept conditions.

 

[Combat-Master]

TS1400 turboshaft engine, and with ALP Aviation producing accessory gearbox in Turkey - There's not a whole lot left to militarise TS1400.
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TUBITAK 1004 project
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Alp Havacilik Accessory Gearbox for TEI TS1400

 

[Yasar_TR]

We're climbing a much more steep hill than our western counterparts. Having to engineer every single sub-component yourself regardless how trivial the part is ridiculous. It dilutes our efforts and spreading thinner our limited engineering talent. But that's the reality we're facing and we, somehow, have to muddle through.

That is the way of Eastern/Midle Eastern approach.
We are classed as a developed country. (Yes n spite of our lowly GDP, we have a very strong industrial base and a literacy rate)
We should be more proactive in our defence industry.
We should be planning way ahead of any and all eventualities.
Therefore I am surprised to hear and see people in top positions not taking notice of the experiences they lived through whereby the number of times we have been left at half way mark by our so called partners and allies.
More importantly, I am amazed to see that we are still dragging our feet with this engine issue, when we know that we will be left in the lurch when we need it most. This is very Turkish to leave everything till the last moment. But we know that doesn’t work. We need to change and plan ahead.
Now is the time to go for RR engine. We missed that chance once before. Otherwise we will have had the TFX flying in 2023. Now this is the last chance. I hope we do not make the same mistake. Even Mahmut Aksit gave us enough information in his interview to deduce that.

 

[Zafer]

What happened,did we acquire alien tech or something that you talk about not needing outside help?
Engine reverse engineering doesnt work in this case so forget that,to complicated,even the Chinese couldnt do it.

We can already make the hard parts, the ancillary parts are easier to make. Fuel and oil pumps and such are just a matter of time to make. Kale made them themselves for their KTJ engines.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Moreover, similar engine accessories are needed in diesel engine projects. That's the main problem for us with the Korean engine right now. Koreans built that engine, but they just bought engine accessories from Germany and simply passed. It would be nice if SSB started a separate project for all kinds of engine accessories. It was even late.

 

[azaher77]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1585896824237395971

A domestic engine contract was signed with Erin Motor for the Vertical Take-off Unmanned Aerial Vehicle BayraktarDİHA developed by BAYKAR.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Temel Kotil stated again in SAHA that National turbofan engine will be integrated to TFX MMU in 2028.

 

[Osman]

Very enthusiastic projection. Unless we have a secret project on a national engine that has been carrying since 5 6 years ago, it is a wet dream. Let's hope there is something behind closed doors.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Mr Temel Kotil stated again in SAHA that National turbofan engine will be integrated to TFX MMU in 2028.

Great news again!
But I will truly believe it when I see it it happen.
Unless they have a signed deal with RR, I can’t see this timeline materialising. Prof Aksit in hidden words gave the message. It is not easy to manufacture a turbofan. it takes a long time to carry out tests. Even an afterburner is not an easy job to implement. Same engine with AB will be much sturdier and built to different specifications.
T. Kotil is the man of “The System”. He has to tell to the media what the system dictates him to say. Comparatively Greener in politics a Mahmut Aksit, lets out some crucial information T. Kotil wouldn’t.

TF6000 is the engine with which TEI is testing it’s capabilities to build a working and fairly powerful turbofan. When they raise the pole to another level and build a 24-25000lbf dry thrust class engine, a lot more variables will have to be addressed. They will be using what one can call revolutionary technologies in engine design that they have learnt from GE. And they have to implement these techs in such a way that they are not infringing on GE’s patent designs. So the engine will be quite different to a standard F110 engine.
All this is going to need a lot of testing and will take time.
Also to put all our eggs in to TEI’s basket is the wrong thing to do. We need a plan B and probably C.
Most logical move today would be to sit down with RR and sign a deal to get help for the first “indigenous” engine TFX will carry. TEI and the consortium should still carry on for the totally local engine as well.
We don’t have time to faff around until TEI comes up with an engine. We need stealth planes before the end of the decades. The only semi guaranteed way is to use a tried and tested manufacturer of engines like RR to produce them for you.

 

[Radonsider]

Great news again!
But I will truly believe it when I see it it happen.
Unless they have a signed deal with RR, I can’t see this timeline materialising. Prof Aksit in hidden words gave the message. It is not easy to manufacture a turbofan. it takes a long time to carry out tests. Even an afterburner is not an easy job to implement. Same engine with AB will be much sturdier and built to different specifications.
T. Kotil is the man of “The System”. He has to tell to the media what the system dictates him to say. Comparatively Greener in politics a Mahmut Aksit, lets out some crucial information T. Kotil wouldn’t.

TF6000 is the engine with which TEI is testing it’s capabilities to build a working and fairly powerful turbofan. When they raise the pole to another level and build a 24-25000lbf dry thrust class engine, a lot more variables will have to be addressed. They will be using what one can call revolutionary technologies in engine design that they have learnt from GE. And they have to implement these techs in such a way that they are not infringing on GE’s patent designs. So the engine will be quite different to a standard F110 engine.
All this is going to need a lot of testing and will take time.
Also to put all our eggs in to TEI’s basket is the wrong thing to do. We need a plan B and probably C.
Most logical move today would be to sit down with RR and sign a deal to get help for the first “indigenous” engine TFX will carry. TEI and the consortium should still carry on for the totally local engine as well.
We don’t have time to faff around until TEI comes up with an engine. We need stealth planes before the end of the decades. The only semi guaranteed way is to use a tried and tested manufacturer of engines like RR to produce them for you.

i think getting a way to produce F110s here would solve lots of problems

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Kotil: "In Trmotor, More than 200 engineers gathered there and going towards 1000 now. It's a great team. The goal is to deliver the National Combat Aircraft which we will deliver in 2028, with a Turkish engine. The contract tender by the Presidency of Defense Industries has not been completed yet. The engine is not selected either but we are proceeding with our own resources."


I think It was ordered by SSB to proceed the design/development studies in order to prevent problems that may likely be experienced due to loss of time

 

[Combat-Master]

For the vertical landing and take-off UAV system called DİHA, developed by Baykar, a domestic solution was found in the engine. The 12 hp engine that uses fuel behind the vehicle is produced by Erin Motor. Tolga Özbek spoke with Ersin Motor General Manager and Member of the Board of Directors, Ersin Şahin. First the details of DİHA, then Erin Motor...

 

[Bogeyman]

Domestic engines will fly Turkey's missiles


Kale Group Vice President and Technical Group President Osman Okyay told Anadolu Agency (AA) that they have been working on developing and producing turbojet engines for 10 years as a group.

Explaining that during this period, they first established all the infrastructure necessary for the development of such an engine, Okyay stated that they acted with the leadership and vision of the Presidency of Defense Industries.

Emphasizing that engines, especially jet engines, are among the most important components in the defense industry, Okyay stated that they have developed a test setup that can provide flight conditions on the ground in order to carry out these studies.

Okyay said:

"While developing the jet engine, engine companies around the world deal only with the engine's 'core engine', namely the compressor group, combustion chamber and tribune group. While we were developing this engine, we also designed many subsystems. Pyrotechnic igniters, electronic control unit, fuel pump, fuel group, We also continued to develop subsystems such as bearings, alternator, etc. We did all of these in this country, either by ourselves or by working with our business partners, universities. There are no foreign components on this engine. So there are no foreign components that are subject to control or not. All the things on it, all the subsystems, all of them were developed and produced in Turkey. It took 10 years to do this. If we went to the method of supplying some components from abroad, we could remove some components faster. Our goal was to continue production when any restriction etc. came. way out.”

Noting that they signed the serial production agreement for the KTJ-3200 engine, which will be used in SOM and Atmaca missiles, last year, Okyay stated that it took some time for all subsystems and the total of the engine to go into mass production.

Stating that they have passed all these processes and started deliveries, Okyay said, "Last month, we delivered 4 engines. 3200 newton turbojet engines, which we call KTJ-3200. Their deliveries will continue with very high numbers next year. I don't want to go into numbers here, but we have a ramp, a serious one. There is a ramp. Next year, we will go up that ramp and make serious productions and deliveries." said.

Çakır missile will meet with domestic engine

Osman Okyay said that they are not limited to the KTJ-3200 in their engine development projects, they have developed 3 different engines that the country needs.

Stating that one of them will serve as the engine of the Çakır missile, Okyay stated that while they developed the first engine in 10 years, they developed the Çakır engine in a very short time, such as 1.5 years.

Okyay emphasized that the development, which was very costly and took a very long time at the beginning, enables the subsequent projects to be done much faster as the capability gains. Okyay said, "It happened to us too. With the knowledge and infrastructure gained in the first project, we developed the second engine much faster. We developed an engine of 1750 newtons. This will be the engine of our Çakır missile. We are delivering the first one at the end of this month. Therefore, flight tests will begin, the next It is planned at the beginning of the year, like January." he said.

3700 newton engine for Land Atmaca's

Noting that they have developed a third engine with a higher thrust of 3700 newtons for the land version of the Atmaca missile, "Land Atmaca", Okyay said, "The design is finished, the prototype is being produced. We will be giving away the first engine at this time next year." said.

Osman Okyay also stated that they are carrying out another engine development project called Arat. But we aim to complete it in a shorter time. The first 2 stages of the project have been passed. I hope that we will complete it quickly." used the phrases.

Western countries also knocked on Turkey's door

Stating that they have not been able to make a special effort to search for a market in export, Okyay said:

"It is very interesting, the engine issue is actually an important bottleneck in the world, there are very few manufacturers in the world. There are very few companies like us that can produce engines that are not subject to any restrictions. About 10 countries came to our door after hearing the news of these engines. Serious demands. We keep some of them waiting, some of them are in contract negotiations. There are developed Western countries among them. This is obviously an even more interesting thing. The engine issue is an area where we are dependent on the West. A Western country wants an engine from us and moreover for themselves. It's important that they want us to develop a special engine. It means confidence in our ability to develop engines. This is something even more gratifying. It's not like the production of an engine that is. We are trying to evaluate these demands. We have quite a busy schedule right now, but exports are important to us."

Türkiye'nin füzelerini yerli motorlar uçuracak

Türkiye'nin, seyir füzelerini hedeflerine taşıyacak yerli motorlarının çeşidi ve teslimat adetleri artarken, motorlara yaklaşık 10 ülkeden talep geldi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1586649963886510080

Arat ? Could that be the gezgin