TR Propulsion Systems

[Radonsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1586649963886510080

Arat ? Could that be the gezgin

Probably

 

[Osman]

Why we dont use turbofan engine for gezgin?

Som with ktj 3700 will most probably be a som-er.

 

[Zafer]

Why we dont use turbofan engine for gezgin?

Som with ktj 3700 will most probably be a som-er.

A turbofan is a little harder to make so they are first making a Gezgin with a turbojet engine and probably they will use a turbofan in the future. Turbojet means faster and turbofan means longer range.

 

[Stuka]

BMC Power new CEO.
He doesn't say much which hasn't been known.

BMC Power 400HP (TTZA) will start serial production until the end 2022. in the 1Q 2023 100 Engines will be produced and integrated to the BMC Vuran 4x4.

> Marine Versions prepared
> Hybrid and Electric Engines are being studied

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1586758932588003329

 

[BalkanTurk90]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1586758932588003329

30 kn ? thats very small 30 cm diameter engine , better dont even post it .
While poor countries like india produces 800kn decades ago, we still produce 30kn ? look this what engine is
---> old 1960-70 F1 engine power Saturn 5 , Apollo mission.Even individual private Lost coutries at end of earth New zelands have produced better engine for electron rockets .

 

[Zafer]

We will have 250cm diameter rocket in 5 years.

Small engines are used for second and third stages or in space propulsion rather than first stage for launch from the ground.

 

[zio]

Why we dont use turbofan engine for gezgin?

Som with ktj 3700 will most probably be a som-er.

KTJ 3700 for kara atmaca ,it is cleared,but I think kale arge wil try KTJ 3200 envelop from 5000 feet high to 10000 feet,so this makes missile range longer and carring platform more safer.Kale already said that KTJ 1750 will work on 10000 feet,that is very good also,especially for UAVs they are slower than fighters.Kale follow exactly the pathway of safran-microturbo jets,so we can assume that arat named TJ will be around 5k newton power and this one will be power gezgin missile,like French MBDA scalp naval cruise missile.Kale TJ engines a little bit heavy than microturbo TR series,but Kale says its engines can work longer time.Nevertheles micro turbo engines can work longer on than the export versions.SOM missiles with ktj 3200 will be free of this restrictions,and can go longer,but you have to add more fuel on it,but we cannot make design change without reducing warhead,so as ı said before 10000 feet upgrade of ktj 3200 make more range easily without changing design just with extra more test on it.I will attach a good information about microturbo jets if ı can.You can see how wide use of these turbojet motors on many missiles and many target drones

 

[Bmx98]

Woooow
To think Kale actually surpassed TEI in something; Iam honestly impressed

TEI needs to step up their game; I know that they are busy developing many different engines of various classes but TEI is TEI after all. All in all, competition is good as it promotes growth

Works has been divided. Tei is focusing on aero engines for manned flying platforms while kale is focusing on missile engines.

 

[Rodeo]

Small engines are used for second and third stages or in space propulsion rather than first stage for launch from the ground.

Vacuum engines are bigger than the engines of the first stage due to the difference of ambient pressure.

The left is sea-level raptor, the right is vacuum-optimized raptor.

 

[Rodeo]

30 kn ? thats very small 30 cm diameter engine , better dont even post it .
While poor countries like india produces 800kn decades ago, we still produce 30kn ? look this what engine is
---> old 1960-70 F1 engine power Saturn 5 , Apollo mission.Even individual private Lost coutries at end of earth New zelands have produced better engine for electron rockets .
View attachment 49740

A single Rutherford engine of Electron rocket produces 25kN force, which is lower than 30kN. But Rocket Lab uses 9 of them to lift Electron off the ground. The rocket is like a scaled down Falcon 9.

By the way, Rocket Lab is not a New Zealand company. They're American. They just launch from New Zealand.

 

[Afif]

KTJ 3700 for kara atmaca ,it is cleared,but I think kale arge wil try KTJ 3200 envelop from 5000 feet high to 10000 feet,so this makes missile range longer and carring platform more safer.Kale already said that KTJ 1750 will work on 10000 feet,that is very good also,especially for UAVs they are slower than fighters.Kale follow exactly the pathway of safran-microturbo jets,so we can assume that arat named TJ will be around 5k newton power and this one will be power gezgin missile,like French MBDA scalp naval cruise missile.Kale TJ engines a little bit heavy than microturbo TR series,but Kale says its engines can work longer time.Nevertheles micro turbo engines can work longer on than the export versions.SOM missiles with ktj 3200 will be free of this restrictions,and can go longer,but you have to add more fuel on it,but we cannot make design change without reducing warhead,so as ı said before 10000 feet upgrade of ktj 3200 make more range easily without changing design just with extra more test on it.I will attach a good information about microturbo jets if ı can.You can see how wide use of these turbojet motors on many missiles and many target drones

ARAT will have thrust level somewhere in between KTJ3200 and KTJ3700 but will come with improved SFC.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.turdef.com/Article/kale-s-arat-engine-to-consume-less-for-extended-range/896&ved=2ahUKEwi4nsbH4Ij7AhUjSGwGHZsQBMMQFnoECAoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2WlpnrfMswb7BdqGtmNV6d

 

[Hexciter]

ARAT will have thrust level somewhere in between KTJ3200 and KTJ3700 but will come with improved SFC.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.turdef.com/Article/kale-s-arat-engine-to-consume-less-for-extended-range/896&ved=2ahUKEwi4nsbH4Ij7AhUjSGwGHZsQBMMQFnoECAoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2WlpnrfMswb7BdqGtmNV6d

Kale’s Arat Engine to Consume Less for Extended Range

On November 5, the Presidency of Defence Industries (SSB) and Kale Arge inked a deal to design a new jet engine. The engine’s name will be Arat (Legendary lethal fish believed to live in Lake Baikal). Although the engine will be utilised in cruise missiles, the system and technical data goals...

www.turdef.com

“A better outside linking “

 

[Afif]

Kale’s Arat Engine to Consume Less for Extended Range

On November 5, the Presidency of Defence Industries (SSB) and Kale Arge inked a deal to design a new jet engine. The engine’s name will be Arat (Legendary lethal fish believed to live in Lake Baikal). Although the engine will be utilised in cruise missiles, the system and technical data goals...

www.turdef.com

“A better outside linking “

Sorry man! I am not with my pc right now!

 

[Hexciter]

Members with engineering background or any one have knowledge can enlighten me whether the Arat engine will be high-bypass variant of existing?
Thank you.

 

[Afif]

Members with engineering background or any one have knowledge can enlighten me whether the Arat engine will be high-bypass variant of existing?
Thank you.

ARAT is a turbojet. There is no bypass ratio at all.

 

[Hexciter]

ARAT is a turbojet. There is no bypass

Then there’s no hope beyond 1000 km
Am I right ?

 

[Afif]

Then there’s no hope beyond 1000 km

1000km is good enough for a land attack cruise missile.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Akşit: "We are one of the 2-3 companies in the world that can produce blisk integrated wing/disc assemblies to the required tolerance and strength"

 

[Trakya_forever]

As far as I know Arat is KTJ 4500.