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Domestic engines will fly Turkey's missiles


Kale Group Vice President and Technical Group President Osman Okyay told Anadolu Agency (AA) that they have been working on developing and producing turbojet engines for 10 years as a group.

Explaining that during this period, they first established all the infrastructure necessary for the development of such an engine, Okyay stated that they acted with the leadership and vision of the Presidency of Defense Industries.

Emphasizing that engines, especially jet engines, are among the most important components in the defense industry, Okyay stated that they have developed a test setup that can provide flight conditions on the ground in order to carry out these studies.

Okyay said:

"While developing the jet engine, engine companies around the world deal only with the engine's 'core engine', namely the compressor group, combustion chamber and tribune group. While we were developing this engine, we also designed many subsystems. Pyrotechnic igniters, electronic control unit, fuel pump, fuel group, We also continued to develop subsystems such as bearings, alternator, etc. We did all of these in this country, either by ourselves or by working with our business partners, universities. There are no foreign components on this engine. So there are no foreign components that are subject to control or not. All the things on it, all the subsystems, all of them were developed and produced in Turkey. It took 10 years to do this. If we went to the method of supplying some components from abroad, we could remove some components faster. Our goal was to continue production when any restriction etc. came. way out.”

Noting that they signed the serial production agreement for the KTJ-3200 engine, which will be used in SOM and Atmaca missiles, last year, Okyay stated that it took some time for all subsystems and the total of the engine to go into mass production.

Stating that they have passed all these processes and started deliveries, Okyay said, "Last month, we delivered 4 engines. 3200 newton turbojet engines, which we call KTJ-3200. Their deliveries will continue with very high numbers next year. I don't want to go into numbers here, but we have a ramp, a serious one. There is a ramp. Next year, we will go up that ramp and make serious productions and deliveries." said.

Çakır missile will meet with domestic engine

Osman Okyay said that they are not limited to the KTJ-3200 in their engine development projects, they have developed 3 different engines that the country needs.

Stating that one of them will serve as the engine of the Çakır missile, Okyay stated that while they developed the first engine in 10 years, they developed the Çakır engine in a very short time, such as 1.5 years.

Okyay emphasized that the development, which was very costly and took a very long time at the beginning, enables the subsequent projects to be done much faster as the capability gains. Okyay said, "It happened to us too. With the knowledge and infrastructure gained in the first project, we developed the second engine much faster. We developed an engine of 1750 newtons. This will be the engine of our Çakır missile. We are delivering the first one at the end of this month. Therefore, flight tests will begin, the next It is planned at the beginning of the year, like January." he said.

3700 newton engine for Land Atmaca's

Noting that they have developed a third engine with a higher thrust of 3700 newtons for the land version of the Atmaca missile, "Land Atmaca", Okyay said, "The design is finished, the prototype is being produced. We will be giving away the first engine at this time next year." said.

Osman Okyay also stated that they are carrying out another engine development project called Arat. But we aim to complete it in a shorter time. The first 2 stages of the project have been passed. I hope that we will complete it quickly." used the phrases.

Western countries also knocked on Turkey's door


Stating that they have not been able to make a special effort to search for a market in export, Okyay said:

"It is very interesting, the engine issue is actually an important bottleneck in the world, there are very few manufacturers in the world. There are very few companies like us that can produce engines that are not subject to any restrictions. About 10 countries came to our door after hearing the news of these engines. Serious demands. We keep some of them waiting, some of them are in contract negotiations. There are developed Western countries among them. This is obviously an even more interesting thing. The engine issue is an area where we are dependent on the West. A Western country wants an engine from us and moreover for themselves. It's important that they want us to develop a special engine. It means confidence in our ability to develop engines. This is something even more gratifying. It's not like the production of an engine that is. We are trying to evaluate these demands. We have quite a busy schedule right now, but exports are important to us."
 

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Why we dont use turbofan engine for gezgin?

Som with ktj 3700 will most probably be a som-er.
 

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Why we dont use turbofan engine for gezgin?

Som with ktj 3700 will most probably be a som-er.
A turbofan is a little harder to make so they are first making a Gezgin with a turbojet engine and probably they will use a turbofan in the future. Turbojet means faster and turbofan means longer range.
 

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BMC Power new CEO.
He doesn't say much which hasn't been known.


BMC Power 400HP (TTZA) will start serial production until the end 2022. in the 1Q 2023 100 Engines will be produced and integrated to the BMC Vuran 4x4.

> Marine Versions prepared
> Hybrid and Electric Engines are being studied
 

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30 kn ? thats very small 30 cm diameter engine , better dont even post it .
While poor countries like india produces 800kn decades ago, we still produce 30kn ? look this what engine is
---> old 1960-70 F1 engine power Saturn 5 , Apollo mission.Even individual private Lost coutries at end of earth New zelands have produced better engine for electron rockets . 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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We will have 250cm diameter rocket in 5 years.

Small engines are used for second and third stages or in space propulsion rather than first stage for launch from the ground.
 

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Why we dont use turbofan engine for gezgin?

Som with ktj 3700 will most probably be a som-er.
KTJ 3700 for kara atmaca ,it is cleared,but I think kale arge wil try KTJ 3200 envelop from 5000 feet high to 10000 feet,so this makes missile range longer and carring platform more safer.Kale already said that KTJ 1750 will work on 10000 feet,that is very good also,especially for UAVs they are slower than fighters.Kale follow exactly the pathway of safran-microturbo jets,so we can assume that arat named TJ will be around 5k newton power and this one will be power gezgin missile,like French MBDA scalp naval cruise missile.Kale TJ engines a little bit heavy than microturbo TR series,but Kale says its engines can work longer time.Nevertheles micro turbo engines can work longer on than the export versions.SOM missiles with ktj 3200 will be free of this restrictions,and can go longer,but you have to add more fuel on it,but we cannot make design change without reducing warhead,so as ı said before 10000 feet upgrade of ktj 3200 make more range easily without changing design just with extra more test on it.I will attach a good information about microturbo jets if ı can.You can see how wide use of these turbojet motors on many missiles and many target drones
 

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Woooow
To think Kale actually surpassed TEI in something; Iam honestly impressed

TEI needs to step up their game; I know that they are busy developing many different engines of various classes but TEI is TEI after all. All in all, competition is good as it promotes growth
Works has been divided. Tei is focusing on aero engines for manned flying platforms while kale is focusing on missile engines.
 

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Small engines are used for second and third stages or in space propulsion rather than first stage for launch from the ground.
Vacuum engines are bigger than the engines of the first stage due to the difference of ambient pressure.

The left is sea-level raptor, the right is vacuum-optimized raptor.

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30 kn ? thats very small 30 cm diameter engine , better dont even post it .
While poor countries like india produces 800kn decades ago, we still produce 30kn ? look this what engine is
---> old 1960-70 F1 engine power Saturn 5 , Apollo mission.Even individual private Lost coutries at end of earth New zelands have produced better engine for electron rockets . 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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A single Rutherford engine of Electron rocket produces 25kN force, which is lower than 30kN. But Rocket Lab uses 9 of them to lift Electron off the ground. The rocket is like a scaled down Falcon 9.

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By the way, Rocket Lab is not a New Zealand company. They're American. They just launch from New Zealand.
 
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KTJ 3700 for kara atmaca ,it is cleared,but I think kale arge wil try KTJ 3200 envelop from 5000 feet high to 10000 feet,so this makes missile range longer and carring platform more safer.Kale already said that KTJ 1750 will work on 10000 feet,that is very good also,especially for UAVs they are slower than fighters.Kale follow exactly the pathway of safran-microturbo jets,so we can assume that arat named TJ will be around 5k newton power and this one will be power gezgin missile,like French MBDA scalp naval cruise missile.Kale TJ engines a little bit heavy than microturbo TR series,but Kale says its engines can work longer time.Nevertheles micro turbo engines can work longer on than the export versions.SOM missiles with ktj 3200 will be free of this restrictions,and can go longer,but you have to add more fuel on it,but we cannot make design change without reducing warhead,so as ı said before 10000 feet upgrade of ktj 3200 make more range easily without changing design just with extra more test on it.I will attach a good information about microturbo jets if ı can.You can see how wide use of these turbojet motors on many missiles and many target drones
ARAT will have thrust level somewhere in between KTJ3200 and KTJ3700 but will come with improved SFC.

 

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Sorry man! I am not with my pc right now!😂
 

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Members with engineering background or any one have knowledge can enlighten me whether the Arat engine will be high-bypass variant of existing?
Thank you.
 

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Members with engineering background or any one have knowledge can enlighten me whether the Arat engine will be high-bypass variant of existing?
Thank you.
ARAT is a turbojet. There is no bypass ratio at all.
 

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