TR Propulsion Systems

[Fuzuli NL]

What exactly are they going to use it for?

Export for small propeller aircraft.

 

[boredaf]

To sell it to civilian aircraft manufacturers?

Export for small propeller aircraft.

Why would anyone prefer that over the plentiful, already established engines with already working production lines? This is an engine made with over the counter stuff, not some miracle and it would be entering an already crowded field and not just with countries that are sanction happy.

 

[Oublious]

Why would anyone prefer that over the plentiful, already established engines with already working production lines? This is an engine made with over the counter stuff, not some miracle and it would be entering an already crowded field and not just with countries that are sanction happy.

Sorry, based on ther Rotax engine experiences they make a engine that is stronger and more economical people will buy it.

 

[boredaf]

Sorry, based on ther Rotax engine experiences they make a engine that is stronger and more economical people will buy it.

Did they though? We only have a tweet to based that on, they haven't released any data or specs. And, this argument has been used for a lot of things and it doesn't always work like that. It is great that they will be able to cut their reliance on foreign engines for TB2, but it doesn't mean other companies will line up to buy it if they get the civilian certification.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Why would anyone prefer that over the plentiful, already established engines with already working production lines? This is an engine made with over the counter stuff, not some miracle and it would be entering an already crowded field and not just with countries that are sanction happy.

Better, cheaper, and with less restrictions and no strings attached.
You could potentially add better logistic terms and maintenance options, longer guarantee periods. The list goes on...

 

[boredaf]

Better, cheaper, and with less restrictions and no strings attached.
You could potentially add better logistic terms and maintenance options, longer guarantee periods. The list goes on...

There is no logistic or maintenance options yet as there is only prototypes, you have no idea if it is going to be cheaper and better than every other engine in its class and as I said there are multiple countries that sell this class of engines you can't just say less restrictions, as companies that are going to buy these engines are also limited.

But whatever, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If they could produce enough to cover their own TB2 production that is more than enough. Wasting money and resources on trying to get into a field that is already filled with established competition for an engine that'll be 10-20k (at most) is really unnecessary imo.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Wasting money and resources on trying to get into a field that is already filled with established competition for an engine that'll be 10-20k (at most) is really unnecessary imo.

Yep. Piston engines are much more available compared to let's say a turbofan engine. To certify TS-1400 and TF-6000 would make sense compared to that.

 

[Agha Sher]

There is no logistic or maintenance options yet as there is only prototypes, you have no idea if it is going to be cheaper and better than every other engine in its class and as I said there are multiple countries that sell this class of engines you can't just say less restrictions, as companies that are going to buy these engines are also limited.

But whatever, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If they could produce enough to cover their own TB2 production that is more than enough. Wasting money and resources on trying to get into a field that is already filled with established competition for an engine that'll be 10-20k (at most) is really unnecessary imo.

Relax. It was merely said that is could become a civilian product as well. Which is something Baykar has said that Türkiye needs to leap into in general. It will not be tomorrow. But if Baykar desires it, they will make it happen.

 

[Oublious]

Did they though? We only have a tweet to based that on, they haven't released any data or specs. And, this argument has been used for a lot of things and it doesn't always work like that. It is great that they will be able to cut their reliance on foreign engines for TB2, but it doesn't mean other companies will line up to buy it if they get the civilian certification.

When the dust clears and we have more information we say with 100%, for now we can speculate. When the quality matches or is better and the price is lower. In order to make it economically feasible we will need a civillian market for it, all that companies who are draged in need orders and defence industry is not enough. If we want to turn in to industry country we will need to push all the buttons.

 

[hugh]

When the dust clears and we have more information we say with 100%, for now we can speculate. When the quality matches or is better and the price is lower. In order to make it economically feasible we will need a civillian market for it, all that companies who are draged in need orders and defence industry is not enough. If we want to turn in to industry country we will need to push all the buttons.

TB2 uses Rotax 912 engine. In 2014, the company has revealed that they delivered over 50 thousand Rotax 912 engines and has over 45 million hours of cumulative flight hours.

A few hundred local engines on TB2s won't make the fraction of the reliability or the decades of experience your competitor has under his belt. How are you going to beat that? Everyone and their mothers have access to these engines. Why would they buy yours?

 

[Oublious]

TB2 uses Rotax 912 engine. In 2014, the company has revealed that they delivered over 50 thousand Rotax 912 engines and has over 45 million hours of cumulative flight hours.

A few hundred local engines on TB2s won't make the fraction of the reliability or the decades of experience your competitor has under his belt. How are you going to beat that? Everyone and their mothers have access to these engines. Why would they buy yours?

I have explained it, if the quality matches and price is cheaper they will forget ther mother.

 

[Oublious]

And who says everybody is happy with Rotax? Is ther no problems with the engine?

 

[Agha Sher]

TB2 uses Rotax 912 engine. In 2014, the company has revealed that they delivered over 50 thousand Rotax 912 engines and has over 45 million hours of cumulative flight hours.

A few hundred local engines on TB2s won't make the fraction of the reliability or the decades of experience your competitor has under his belt. How are you going to beat that? Everyone and their mothers have access to these engines. Why would they buy yours?

It is not like that TM100 will take all og Rotax’s market share. There will definitely be a segment for TM100 be it due to price, quality or geopolitical.