TR Propulsion Systems

[Test7]

They are creating a giant with embargoes, they do not realize

 

[Bogeyman]

Doosan engine's design is different from MTU so that the korean engine can't be used with RENK transmission family.

Since the BATU engine is identical to Doosan , we can't design another transmission different from its original design.

Here is the korean transmission design which we will mass produce soon
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387875473238204424

There's no way the transmission could be from Korea or anywhere else. Transmission technology was transferred from the British for engine technology at 1000 HP power. And by developing British technology, they produced special transmission for the Batu project.

 

[Anmdt]

It was said that the gas turbine version of the TS1400 turboshaft engine 4 of them would solve the engine problem of the 1 Istanbul class frigate.

Kırılma

Bu durumda konuyu; Türkiye'de tamamen milli imkanlarla tasarlanan ve şimşek hızıyla üretiliveren ilk gaz türbininin oluşturacağı da anlaşılmış oldu.

alarga.uskudar.biz

FYI istanbul class runs on 30 MW power,
4 TS1400 = 5 MW.
It was probably referring to gensets (replacing MTU diesel generators), again i don't think our navy would opt for turbojet gensets anytime soon.
Alternatively, pretty sure it points out replacing the MTU diesel engines with TS.
Further to note, a marine engine runs for days, weeks, months -non stop. Same applies to gensets as well. Diesel engines (on in case of cogag-cogog the smaller turbines) are like the heart which either idles or runs until a ship is returning back to the port.

You wouldn't expect a ship to replace a turbojet once in a few days or each day in midst of operations.

 

[Combat-Master]

Doosan engine's design is different from MTU so that the korean engine can't be used with RENK transmission family.

Since the BATU engine is identical to Doosan , we can't design another transmission different from its original design.

Here is the korean transmission design which we will mass produce soon
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Now i can confidently say our ALTAY will have 6 forward 3 reverse speed which is different from other modern MBTs.

No clue as to what you are on about, Nice pics though

 

[Bogeyman]

Turbines are relatively inefficient for power generation for ships. They should only be used for when the available space is small. Otherwise Diesel engines are the best which means the closest capability we have to the ideal is the BATU engine of BMC Power. If other companies like TAIS and some others that already develop marine engines and train locomotive engines don't come up with more ideal engines BATU will be our best bet.

I'm quoting the article directly.

At the solution point, there are two basic dimensions:

When the issue is first considered from a technical point of view, it is now possible to quickly and fully independently obtain a highly effective solution to the above problem together with the TS1400. The TS1400 core gas turbine has a power of 1,400 shp at 23,000 rpm and weighs ~164 kg and can easily meet the service and emergency energy needs of all small and medium-sized underwater vehicles of the Turkish Navy with its features!

As an example, based on the Istanbul class, the power-to-weight ratio of the Ts1400 is almost 30 times that of the MTU 12v2000 used on these ships. The TS1400 is a core engine, and it can be understood that different power needs can also be met over time, for example, the more powerful engine that will be needed for ATAK2, which will be a much heavier helicopter than Atak, can also be expected to be developed on the basis of the TS1400. These conditions will also provide the power flexibility needed for future ship/energy needs.

you can read more from the article.

 

[Zafer]

I'm quoting the article directly.




you can read more from the article.

It is a common knowledge that smaller turbines like the TS1400 has lower efficiency than larger turbines and diesels. Large turbines have around 36% while large diesels have around 50%. The author simply considers the case when we have no other option.

 

[Anmdt]

I'm quoting the article directly.




you can read more from the article.

Just pointing out, you may check maintenance intervals of a typical TS and marine diesel/ marine turbine. This could give some ideas to the audience before reading wild thoughts about TS1400 on I- Class.
Moreover i appreciate his (uskudar.biz) work on certain subjects a lot.

 

[Turko]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387875473238204424

There's no way the transmission could be from Korea or anywhere else. Transmission technology was transferred from the British for engine technology at 1000 HP power. And by developing British technology, they produced special transmission for the Batu project.

Neither i underestimate nor overlook to the BATU engine but our engine is also designed by BMC engineers ( indeed we kindly copy it)
Nonetheless İt's written that transmission for 1500 hp has been designed just by BMC engineers. They didn't relate 1500 hp transmission with Brits.
Creating a new transmission from scratch for Korean engine which is rare would be mad. Kinda reinventing wheel.

First time I'm telling it : "i appreciate BMC engine company . keep doing what you have done . Let's copy everything"

 

[Oublious]

FYI istanbul class runs on 30 MW power,
4 TS1400 = 5 MW.
It was probably referring to gensets (replacing MTU diesel generators), again i don't think our navy would opt for turbojet gensets anytime soon.
Alternatively, pretty sure it points out replacing the MTU diesel engines with TS.
Further to note, a marine engine runs for days, weeks, months -non stop. Same applies to gensets as well. Diesel engines (on in case of cogag-cogog the smaller turbines) are like the heart which either idles or runs until a ship is returning back to the port.

You wouldn't expect a ship to replace a turbojet once in a few days or each day in midst of operations.

What kind RPM are they operatiing? Not high RPM so the last longer then normal engines?

 

[Philip the Arab]

Copying has been part of human civilisation since the first human civilisations began.

People complaining about this shit are petty and pathetic lmaoooo

But muh copyright. Copyright bullshit was made so people can keep a monopoly nothing more.

I mean a lot of people knock Chinese for doing it. Direct reverse engineered products are usually worse depending on complexity.

Chinese gas turbine engines sucked balls even compared to Russians until recently which came from them trying to reverse engineer engines from scratch. Not sure about diesel engines though, they seem a lot easier to manufacture.

 

[yusuf]

If turbine engines are more cilient from diesel,ı think so,it would be better performance for anti submarine warfare

 

[Anmdt]

What kind RPM are they operatiing? Not high RPM so the last longer then normal engines?

1500-2000, those are called high speed marine diesels.

 

[Altay_TR]

TAIS is supposed to be working on marine diesels but they are not talking.

Tümosan started working for small diesel marine engines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1231134741614780416

Tümosan Traktör - 1976'dan Beri Motor ve Traktör Üretim Devi

Ana Sayfa

www.tumosan.com.tr

 

[Zafer]

Tümosan started working for small diesel marine engines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1231134741614780416

Tümosan Traktör - 1976'dan Beri Motor ve Traktör Üretim Devi

Ana Sayfa

www.tumosan.com.tr

This is good and all but TAIS is supposed to work on engines 100x as powerful.
When they talk they will talk big, but where are they?

"The project will start with medium speed large (6,000-10,000 Kw) diesel main engines will continue with smaller (1,000-2,000 Kw) diesel auxiliary and main engines."

 

[Philip the Arab]

This is good and all but TAIS is supposed to work on engines 100x as powerful.
When they talk they will talk big, but where are they?

Probably not yet prioritized I suppose.

 

[Pompier23]

BMC updated website

https://www.bmcpower.com.tr/tr/sayfa/30/guc-ve-aktarma-sistemleri

 

[Fuzuli NL]

BMC web sitesini güncelledi

https://www.bmcpower.com.tr/tr/sayfa/30/guc-ve-aktarma-sistemleri

Welcome to the forum @Pompier23.
Please share your posts in English. Thank you.

 

[Zafer]

The full stack BATU

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Utku

 

[Cabatli_TR]