TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[MADDOG]

TF-X's striking new look! Very Tempest like is it not?

On the third day, AEROSPACE’s Steve Bridgewater became the first international journalist to climb aboard the cockpit mock-up of the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) TF-X fifth generation fighter.
While photographs and videos were strictly prohibited, we can report that the main cockpit consists of four large multi-function displays (MFDs) – referred to as portals - that can be independently configured for different display material or, when required, joined together to provide the pilot with a larger display area. “Our mission was to create a clean cockpit to make the pilot’s job as easy as possible” Gokhan Simsek, TAI’s Simulator and Training Systems IPT Lead.

The roomy cockpit has twin throttles and other engine controls on the left and a side stick controller on the right.

The engines themselves have long been a bone of contention with Türkiye originally intending to use a variant of the Eurojet EJ200 but in 2017 Rolls-Royce established a joint venture with the Kale Group of Turkey to develop and manufacture engines for the project. These negotiations fell through in 2018 and General Electric’s local partner Tusaş Engine Industries (TEI) proposed an indigenously built version of the F110 engine for the project.

Although sources reported that Kale & Rolls-Royce had re-entered the fray earlier this year, TF-X Technologies, Business Development Strategy Chief Ferhat Kutlucan confirmed to AEROSPACE that the aircraft will be rolled out on 18 March next year complete with TEI built powerplants. “We will hold an engine run the same day as the roll-out” confirmed Kutlucan, “and we will have our first flight by the end of 2025 at the latest.”

TF-X was designed specifically for the Turkish Air Force and was required to have improved aerodynamics and propulsion with a super-cruise function and advanced and internal multi-spectral sensors (EW and RF/IR). Low observability was also high on the requirements as well as data-link capabilities for network-enabled warfare and high precision stand-off weapons.

Those weapons include the Göktuğ programme of BVR and short-range radar homing air-to-air missiles as well as myriad bombs of varying size. “We are proud that almost all of the airframe, it’s system and its weapons are indigenous to Türkiye,” said Kutlucan.

Although the TF-X has been designed to meet a very tight Turkish specification TAI has not ruled out the possibility of exploring the export market. “We are not in active discussions with other nations at this point as our poriority must be delivering to Türkiye,” emphasised Kutlucan. “However, any export model will likely be delivered without some of the more sensitive indigenous technologies.”

 

[Enderun]

We still have a long way to go to dismantle this nation, whatever crowding and complex mentality has beset everywhere and in everything.

 

[Manomed]

We still have a long way to go to dismantle this nation, whatever crowding and complex mentality has beset everywhere and in everything.

Yeah broh Im pretty sure a country that has no experience in making jet engines for planes can make a engine in 6 years thats just delusional nothing else.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Yeah broh Im pretty a country that has no experience in making jet engines for planes can make a engine in 6 years thats just delusional nothing else.

I agree. I’m fairly confident that Turkiye can built an engine of this class, but in just 6 years ? No, I don’t think so.

 

[fire starter]

I agree. I’m fairly confident that Turkiye can built an engine of this class, but in just 6 years ? No, I don’t think so.

Depending on what generation engine you aim to develop. Right now only America is having an operational 5th gen engine.

 

[Manomed]

Depending on what generation engine you aim to develop. Right now only America is having an operational 5th gen engine.

4 generation or 4.5

 

[Windchime]

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TF-X's striking new look! Very Tempest like is it not?

On the third day, AEROSPACE’s Steve Bridgewater became the first international journalist to climb aboard the cockpit mock-up of the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) TF-X fifth generation fighter.
While photographs and videos were strictly prohibited, we can report that the main cockpit consists of four large multi-function displays (MFDs) – referred to as portals - that can be independently configured for different display material or, when required, joined together to provide the pilot with a larger display area. “Our mission was to create a clean cockpit to make the pilot’s job as easy as possible” Gokhan Simsek, TAI’s Simulator and Training Systems IPT Lead.

The roomy cockpit has twin throttles and other engine controls on the left and a side stick controller on the right.

The engines themselves have long been a bone of contention with Türkiye originally intending to use a variant of the Eurojet EJ200 but in 2017 Rolls-Royce established a joint venture with the Kale Group of Turkey to develop and manufacture engines for the project. These negotiations fell through in 2018 and General Electric’s local partner Tusaş Engine Industries (TEI) proposed an indigenously built version of the F110 engine for the project.

Although sources reported that Kale & Rolls-Royce had re-entered the fray earlier this year, TF-X Technologies, Business Development Strategy Chief Ferhat Kutlucan confirmed to AEROSPACE that the aircraft will be rolled out on 18 March next year complete with TEI built powerplants. “We will hold an engine run the same day as the roll-out” confirmed Kutlucan, “and we will have our first flight by the end of 2025 at the latest.”

TF-X was designed specifically for the Turkish Air Force and was required to have improved aerodynamics and propulsion with a super-cruise function and advanced and internal multi-spectral sensors (EW and RF/IR). Low observability was also high on the requirements as well as data-link capabilities for network-enabled warfare and high precision stand-off weapons.

Those weapons include the Göktuğ programme of BVR and short-range radar homing air-to-air missiles as well as myriad bombs of varying size. “We are proud that almost all of the airframe, it’s system and its weapons are indigenous to Türkiye,” said Kutlucan.

Although the TF-X has been designed to meet a very tight Turkish specification TAI has not ruled out the possibility of exploring the export market. “We are not in active discussions with other nations at this point as our poriority must be delivering to Türkiye,” emphasised Kutlucan. “However, any export model will likely be delivered without some of the more sensitive indigenous technologies.”

Seems like the IRST is now housed inside a low observable glass structure unlike previous MMU renderings from TUŞAS. A step in the right direction.

 

[Brokengineer]

Depending on what generation engine you aim to develop. Right now only America is having an operational 5th gen engine.

I agree. It is not about developing engine. It is develeoping en engine that has high t/w ratio and long endurance.
As far as i know thats where kaveri engine did not meet requirements due to low t/w ratio.
I want to remind you mr Aksit words that developing an turbofan engine is one of the highest point of tech development.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Yeah broh Im pretty a country that has no experience in making jet engines for planes can make a engine in 6 years thats just delusional nothing else.

For me its about planning for the worst and hoping for the best. Mehmed the Conqueror ended up dragging an entire fleet over land in order to take Istanbul. Its that level of planning that we require where even the unimaginable is prepared for.

 

[TheInsider]

Bullshit no SCB can withstand temp upto 1400c without TBC and cooling holes.

That little dents on the edge of blades are actually helping cooling but they can't be compared to the complex holes on fighter engine blades. It depends on what you want from those blades if you want them to work at 1350 celsius degrees you don't need to drill advanced cooling holes and apply layer after layer advanced thermal barriers. Those little dents and a more basic cheaper thermal barrier will be enough. This way you can produce blades cheaper. Even a %20 reduction in blade costs will translate into a vastly cheaper engine. If you want to produce an engine that works at 1500-1600 degrees you have to drill and optimize cooling holes and work on advanced thermal barrier formulas. Currently, studies of TEI are concentrated in these fields. TF-6000 will probably be the first test bed of these efforts.

https://mam.tubitak.gov.tr/en/haber/tubitak-mam-produces-turkeys-first-crystal-turbine-blade

 

[MADDOG]

TF-X's cockpit from Güntay Şimşek's instagram

 

[Ecderha]

Without RR this project is doomed to fail

"In the age of technology, it is not as difficult to achieve technology as it used to be, but what is even worse is that the people of the country do not believe in their own institutions and organizations, scientists."

Stop been pessimist.................Give little respect and believe Turkiye own Industry................Turkiye industry already SHOW US Many PARTS which were PROVE that they building them...................Also Turkiye High tech Companies SHOW it working engines like TS1400, KTJ-3200 .....and TIE knowledge, skills of other Engines

There are FACTS and Turk engineers prove that they can Create own and Competitive product.

 

[TheInsider]

I am sorry to say that what you are writing here has no scientific basis and is not even worth answering.
Please don’t write anymore because it is looking silly!

Stop name-calling. If you have anything to contribute then contribute if not begone. Mods should erase his massage.

 

[Glass🚬]

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TF-X's striking new look! Very Tempest like is it not?

On the third day, AEROSPACE’s Steve Bridgewater became the first international journalist to climb aboard the cockpit mock-up of the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) TF-X fifth generation fighter.
While photographs and videos were strictly prohibited, we can report that the main cockpit consists of four large multi-function displays (MFDs) – referred to as portals - that can be independently configured for different display material or, when required, joined together to provide the pilot with a larger display area. “Our mission was to create a clean cockpit to make the pilot’s job as easy as possible” Gokhan Simsek, TAI’s Simulator and Training Systems IPT Lead.

The roomy cockpit has twin throttles and other engine controls on the left and a side stick controller on the right.

The engines themselves have long been a bone of contention with Türkiye originally intending to use a variant of the Eurojet EJ200 but in 2017 Rolls-Royce established a joint venture with the Kale Group of Turkey to develop and manufacture engines for the project. These negotiations fell through in 2018 and General Electric’s local partner Tusaş Engine Industries (TEI) proposed an indigenously built version of the F110 engine for the project.

Although sources reported that Kale & Rolls-Royce had re-entered the fray earlier this year, TF-X Technologies, Business Development Strategy Chief Ferhat Kutlucan confirmed to AEROSPACE that the aircraft will be rolled out on 18 March next year complete with TEI built powerplants. “We will hold an engine run the same day as the roll-out” confirmed Kutlucan, “and we will have our first flight by the end of 2025 at the latest.”

TF-X was designed specifically for the Turkish Air Force and was required to have improved aerodynamics and propulsion with a super-cruise function and advanced and internal multi-spectral sensors (EW and RF/IR). Low observability was also high on the requirements as well as data-link capabilities for network-enabled warfare and high precision stand-off weapons.

Those weapons include the Göktuğ programme of BVR and short-range radar homing air-to-air missiles as well as myriad bombs of varying size. “We are proud that almost all of the airframe, it’s system and its weapons are indigenous to Türkiye,” said Kutlucan.

Although the TF-X has been designed to meet a very tight Turkish specification TAI has not ruled out the possibility of exploring the export market. “We are not in active discussions with other nations at this point as our poriority must be delivering to Türkiye,” emphasised Kutlucan. “However, any export model will likely be delivered without some of the more sensitive indigenous technologies.”

any pics of the inside of cockpit?

 

[Manomed]

TF-X's cockpit from Güntay Şimşek's instagram

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@T-123456 How is it lookin?

 

[MADDOG]

any pics of the inside of cockpit?

I mean

 

[Glass🚬]

I mean

now have seen it, looks decent.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Stop name-calling. If you have anything to contribute then contribute if not begone. Mods should erase his massage.

There is no name calling in my post. I am warning you to write within scientific parameters. There is no scientific basis in what you are saying. In fact what you are saying is looking silly! If you can’t take criticism then tough! You will have to learn.

You can not tell any one to go away from the forum. You don’t have the right.

You need to provide “credible” sources and support what you say with such.
Most of your posts are up in the air with no sources to support it. Forum rules clearly states you have to provide credible sources when giving information or prepared to do so when asked.

 

[TheInsider]

There is no name calling in my post. I am warning you to write within scientific parameters. There is no scientific basis in what you are saying. In fact what you are saying is looking silly! If you can’t take criticism then tough! You will have to learn.

You can not tell any one to go away from the forum. You don’t have the right.

You need to provide “credible” sources and support what you say with such.
Most of your posts are up in the air with no sources to support it. Forum rules clearly states you have to provide credible sources when giving information or prepared to do so when asked.

He literally says 1500-1800 degrees kelvin. Tubitak's director mentioned 1400 degrees Celcius but Tubitak gives that value for the blades they produced and delivered before TEI treated the blades with their own processes.

By the way, STG 1 means stage 1 power turbine, and STG 2 means stage 2
Stage 1 is where those little dent cooling channels are needed because stage 2 has a lower temperature so those are not needed. And he mentions ceramic thermal barrier coating and new more advanced coatings are being studied. There is enough evidence that current SX blades will be enough up to 1600 degrees Celcius.

 

[MADDOG]

now have seen it, looks decent.

Yep and it looks like STG Engineering will be providing the display. Nice!