TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

About non existing of DSI on F-22, the technology was not matured at this time were F-22 was in serial production.

 

[Radonsider]

About non existing of DSI on F-22, the technology was not matured at this were F-22 was in serial production.

Yes, but it won't really matter that much

 

[MADDOG]

Bad news. No questions. But I'll post some pictures and talk about the stuff I'm going to see. Sorry I tried

 

[MADDOG]

does the TFX prototype have DSI intakes?

I dunno Most likely not though.

 

[Heartbang]

I dunno Most likely not though.

you could ask. earlier visuals of HAL AMCA didnt have DSi intakes but the wind tunnel mock-ups do.
i believe something similar might be the case for TFX.

 

[Radonsider]

you could ask. earlier visuals of HAL AMCA didnt have DSi intakes but the wind tunnel mock-ups do.
i believe something similar might be the case for TFX.

Well, AMCA is more like a F-35 aircraft rather than a F-22 air dominance. TF-X cannot have DSI because of its high speed (Mach 1.6+) limitations

 

[Radonsider]

I dunno Most likely not though.

Also MADDOG, how's it going?

 

[MADDOG]

Also MADDOG, how's it going?

EDIT: Saw the thing

 

[Radonsider]

EDIT: Saw the thing

So it's in one piece

 

[MADDOG]

This was near the composite production facility. Apparently belongs to the 738.

One of two Gokbey prototypes in a hangar somewhere. Had to be careful due to the ongoing flight activities. The other Gokbey stationed towards the right is in the colors of the Gendarmerie Command. They have like 4 prototypes. And this is where the photos end Sorry...





ATAK 2 is currently in production however there isn't much to see. It's in a very early phase.

The production of the T-70's continue, but due to CAATSA there is a HUGE deduction on its numbers. TAI is doing the best they can.

Aksungur is apparently booked to oblivion, quite literally. There weren't ANY Aksungur's on the assembly line. And that is because TAI just takes them off the production line as soon as they're ready and sends them off to testing.

Hurjet's assembly line was filled with Malaysian delegates.

Saw the F-16 Ozgur in its digital camouflage. And it looks like it will retain it. But it may change later. Hurjet won't feature the digital camo btw. At least that's what they told me.

Hurjet's simulator was booked so I wasn't able to get any photos from there.



And last but not least... the big boi which is stationed in its hangar. I nearly fainted when I saw it btw. I'm not allowed to share anything regarding its design, no photos were allowed to begin with. A very experienced team is leading the program, and it's coming together nicely. That's all you need to know. Oh you might expect to see another MMU mock-up. I don't know when. MMU's prototype won't have RAM paint.

 

[MADDOG]

So it's in one piece

No comment. I urge you to give her some time though just to be realistic.

 

[MADDOG]

does the TFX prototype have DSI intakes?

I know the answer to that question. But you'll have to wait and see.

 

[Merzifonlu]

The production of the T-70's continue, but due to CAATSA there is a HUGE deduction on its numbers. TAI is doing the best they can.

Thank you. So T-70 program was practically killed by USA. It would be fine if TUSAŞ didn't continue.

For this reason, TUSAŞ started to plan a general purpose helicopter that uses a joint infrastructure with Atak-2 and will be navalized from the very beginning.

That's how I understood the situation.

 

[MADDOG]

Thank you. So T-70 program was practically killed by USA. It would be fine if TUSAŞ didn't continue.

For this reason, TUSAŞ started to plan a general purpose helicopter that uses a joint infrastructure with Atak-2 and will be navalized from the very beginning.

That's how I understood the situation.

They're currently lobbying to get the production numbers back into their original state. If that will ever materialize, we will see.

 

[Hasanrize]

MMU's prototype won't have RAM paint.

Is this normal? Or is it that we don't have that tech yet?

 

[Radonsider]

Is this normal? Or is it that we don't have that tech yet?

Well we do have the tech, I think it is to save costs as it would only be used on ground tests

 

[MADDOG]

Is this normal? Or is it that we don't have that tech yet?

I'm pretty sure we do have the tech for it. I just don't think it's very high up on TAI's to do list currently.

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1561384162317291520

MMU'da kullanılacak F110 motorlarının Türkiye'de üretilmesi için çalışmalar sürüyor

Milli Muharip Uçak’ta (MMU) milli motor hazır olana kadar kullanılması planlanan F110-GE-129E motorunun Türkiye’de üretilmesi için çalışmalar sürüyor. TUSAŞ Motor Sanayii A.Ş.(TEI) Genel Müdürü Mahmut Faruk Akşit, M5 Dergi Ağustos sayısında M5 Yayın Koordinatörü Abdullah Şentürk’ün sorularını...

m5dergi.com

Engines that will power the initial batch of the TFX are probably going to be produced in Eskisehir by TEI.
Mahmut Aksit has stated that they are working on a model of production system with GE, whereby maximum amount of localisation will be achieved in the production of the F110GE129E engines that will power initial batch of TFX jets.

According to below news, for the first prototypes of TFX planes two batches of 5 engines, in total, 10 engines were ordered to the US company GE. First batch of this order was delivered according to news published on 2nd of June this year.
Then it as revealed by Ismail Demir, that there would be 14 prototypes in total. 12 of these will have f110 engines and the remaining 2 will have indigenous engines. That means there is a need for minimum of 24 F110 engines.
So it is not certain if the initial batch of high degree of locally manufactured F110 engines are the remainder of the above prototype engines, or they are the engines for the first squadron or two that will be 4.5 generation planes that will fly with F110s.

First Batch of F110 Engines Delivered for the National Combat Aircraft

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[Heartbang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1561384162317291520

MMU'da kullanılacak F110 motorlarının Türkiye'de üretilmesi için çalışmalar sürüyor

Milli Muharip Uçak’ta (MMU) milli motor hazır olana kadar kullanılması planlanan F110-GE-129E motorunun Türkiye’de üretilmesi için çalışmalar sürüyor. TUSAŞ Motor Sanayii A.Ş.(TEI) Genel Müdürü Mahmut Faruk Akşit, M5 Dergi Ağustos sayısında M5 Yayın Koordinatörü Abdullah Şentürk’ün sorularını...

m5dergi.com

Engines that will power the initial batch of the TFX are probably going to be produced in Eskisehir by TEI.
Mahmut Aksit has stated that they are working on a model of production system with GE, whereby maximum amount of localisation will be achieved in the production of the F110GE129E engines that will power initial batch of TFX jets.

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According to below news, for the first prototypes of TFX planes two batches of 5 engines, in total, 10 engines were ordered to the US company GE. First batch of this order was delivered according to news published on 2nd of June this year.
Then it as revealed by Ismail Demir, that there would be 14 prototypes in total. 12 of these will have f110 engines and the remaining 2 will have indigenous engines. That means there is a need for minimum of 24 F110 engines.
So it is not certain if the initial batch of high degree of locally manufactured F110 engines are the remainder of the above prototype engines, or they are the engines for the first squadron or two that will be 4.5 generation planes that will fly with F110s.

First Batch of F110 Engines Delivered for the National Combat Aircraft

www.defenceturkey.com

why are F110 equipped TFX's regarded as 4.5 gen aircraft in the press?

 

[Yasar_TR]

why are F110 equipped TFX's regarded as 4.5 gen aircraft in the press?

Just a few reasons are:
1. They don’t have enough power to sustain a 5th generation plane’s power requirements (Aesa Radar, avionics and energy weapons like microwave/ laser weapons etc)
2. They are noisy. Stealth planes’ noise levels should be low
3. IR signature too high. Optimisation of nozzle geometry has not been done. Therefore more detectable than a 5th generation plane engine.
4. Air intake has not been optimised to give less RCS .