TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Bayraktar TB2]

biosys is developing OBOGS
View attachment 2459

OBOGS | Biosys

www.biosys.com.tr

Isn't that the same company who built the respirator for covid patients?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Defence Turkey: Milli Muharip Uçak (MMU/TF-X) ve Ön Tasarım Aşaması Temmuz 2020’de tamamlanan HürJet Projelerinde gelinen son durum hakkında bize neler söyleyebilirsiniz? Prototip Faz ve ara çözüm motor (interim engine) ihtiyacı çerçevesinde MMU/TF-X için F110-GE-129E, HürJet için de EuroJet EJ200 turbofan motorları tercih edilmiş olsa da her iki projede de ilerleyen süreçlerde milli turbofan motorların kullanılması hedeflenmişti. Söz konusu motorların tedarik çalışmalarında gelinen son durum hakkında bize neler söyleyebilirsiniz?

Prof.İsmail DEMİR: Süreçler kendi mecralarında gidiyor. Motor seçimi ile ilgili verilen kararlar, bu motorlar zaten ilk prototip uçaklar için düşünüldü. Belli sayıda uçaklarda muhtemelen yapılamayacak ama nihai anlamda, yine kendi motorlarımızı bu uçakları yetiştirebilmek. Tabii şu durumda var, bir motor seçersiniz ve uçak ona göre tasarlanır biz onun da farkındayız. Prototip için seçtiğimiz motorlarla, geliştirdiğimiz motorların belirli parametrelerde birbirine yakın olmasını hedeflediğimiz için, zaten bu motorları seçtik. O açıdan projelerimizin daha da hızlanması lazım diyoruz. Önemli aşamalar kat ettik. Zaman zaman gözden geçirme toplantıları yapıyoruz, gidişatı analiz ediyoruz.

ÖZEL HABER: SSB Başkanı Prof. İsmail DEMİR Gündeme Dair Çarpıcı Açıklamalarda Bulundu!

T.C. Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayi Başkanı Prof. İsmail DEMİR, Dergimize verdiği özel mülakatta; Savunma Sanayi Başkanlığının 2023 planlamalarından, ihracat hedeflerine, ihraç pazarında Türkiye’nin elini güçlendirecek Devletler Arası Satıştan, Barter uygulamalarına uygulanabilecek tüm finansal...

www.defenceturkey.com

Turkey is developing turbofan engines for not only Tf-X but also Hürjet.

 

[Zafer]

Prof.İsmail DEMİR: Süreçler kendi mecralarında gidiyor. Motor seçimi ile ilgili verilen kararlar, bu motorlar zaten ilk prototip uçaklar için düşünüldü. Belli sayıda uçaklarda muhtemelen yapılamayacak ama nihai anlamda, yine kendi motorlarımızı bu uçakları yetiştirebilmek. Tabii şu durumda var, bir motor seçersiniz ve uçak ona göre tasarlanır biz onun da farkındayız. Prototip için seçtiğimiz motorlarla, geliştirdiğimiz motorların belirli parametrelerde birbirine yakın olmasını hedeflediğimiz için, zaten bu motorları seçtik. O açıdan projelerimizin daha da hızlanması lazım diyoruz. Önemli aşamalar kat ettik. Zaman zaman gözden geçirme toplantıları yapıyoruz, gidişatı analiz ediyoruz.

Turkey is developing turbofan engines for not only Tf-X but also Hürjet.

This is not clearly stated by İsmail Demir but it makes sense to develop a smaller turbofan engine for Hürjet and possible UCAVs that may follow later.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

If the Hurjet is still a single engine design, they'll need a 20,000 lbf turbofan at least. If Turkey is planning to develop that engine, then they can split the development cost with Pakistan because Pakistan could use such an engine for Project AZM.

Tubitak Mam is able to manufacture single crystal blades for a turbine in this thrust class for the TS1400. Our teacher, who previously worked at TEI at our university, said, "All parts except turbine blades can be produced by TEI, including the combustion chambers, but this technology was not developed from scratch like turbine blades, it was offered by GE as technology transfer due to joint production and supply, most people. The reason why the production (or more precisely, the licenses) of the T70s, which TAI currently manufactures under license, was given late was that America did not want to give the metallurgical information required for the combustion chamber of the T700-701D engines, and it went through this congress much later. It does not entrust such a flow of data to a country it considers more hostile than.

 

[Bilal Khan(Quwa)]

Tubitak Mam is able to manufacture single crystal blades for a turbine in this thrust class for the TS1400. Our teacher, who previously worked at TEI at our university, said, "All parts except turbine blades can be produced by TEI, including the combustion chambers, but this technology was not developed from scratch like turbine blades, it was offered by GE as technology transfer due to joint production and supply, most people. The reason why the production (or more precisely, the licenses) of the T70s, which TAI currently manufactures under license, was given late was that America did not want to give the metallurgical information required for the combustion chamber of the T700-701D engines, and it went through this congress much later. It does not entrust such a flow of data to a country it considers more hostile than.

BTW when I say, "get Pakistan to co-fund..." Turkey shouldn't have to share technology/IP with Pakistan. Rather, it should solve Pakistan's main concern: guaranteed engine supplies.

For the funding, maybe Turkey can set-up an assembly plant for the engines in Pakistan (with kits from Turkey so that Turkey controls IP), but Pakistan secures it supply chain.

Overall, Pakistan's concern is just protecting its supply chain so that it doesn't get sanctioned in war. It doesn't care as much about IP, exports, etc. Turkey can handle all that.

 

[Yoyo]

Tabii şu durumda var, bir motor seçersiniz ve uçak ona göre tasarlanır biz onun da farkındayız. Prototip için seçtiğimiz motorlarla, geliştirdiğimiz motorların belirli parametrelerde birbirine yakın olmasını hedeflediğimiz için, zaten bu motorları seçtik.

Very important point here. I was wondering about that. Thanks for sharing bro.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

BTW when I say, "get Pakistan to co-fund..." Turkey shouldn't have to share technology/IP with Pakistan. Rather, it should solve Pakistan's main concern: guaranteed engine supplies.

For the funding, maybe Turkey can set-up an assembly plant for the engines in Pakistan (with kits from Turkey so that Turkey controls IP), but Pakistan secures it supply chain.

Overall, Pakistan's concern is just protecting its supply chain so that it doesn't get sanctioned in war. It doesn't care as much about IP, exports, etc. Turkey can handle all that.

I don't think Pakistan will order a bespoke engine and provide financial aid for it, this is very optimistic. Turkey to time in the future you will be able to supply the engine is already able to supply from China. I don't even know if the RD93 paid Klimov for the MA version.

 

[bsruzm]

Old news from İsmail Demir:

- We trying to pull TF: Turkish Fighter (MMU) first flight to 2025.
- We are working on models A, B and C.
- 7 TF prototypes (six for flight tests and one for ground tests) in three different configurations dubbed Block-0 (first test model which will be rolled out in 2023), Block-I (air-superiority model planned to achieve IOC in 2028) and Block-II (multi-role model with air superiority plus air-to-ground capabilities, planned to achieve FOC in 2031) will be manufactured for test, evaluation and qualification purposes.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Havelsan and TrMotor signed a deal regarding the software of national engine that is going to power Tf-X fighters in 2030’s.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1314140345286959104

 

[Cabatli_TR]

The deals related with Tf-X

• Tusaş-Artificial Intelligence Structures: The design and production of eight flight control rods and the determination of the company as the preferred supplier for the future production of 200 products
• Havelsan-TrMotor: The development and certification of engine avionic control units. In these systems, the local and national Real-Time Operating System (GIS) developed by TÜBİTAK BİLGEM will be used.
• TAI-Havelsan: Embedded Training, Training and Maintenance Simulators and engineering support (Virtual Test Environment, project-level software development, and cybersecurity).
• Havelsan MMU engineering team: (~500 engineers) are writing more than 20 million code of line softwares for Tf-X fighter computers(Source: Havelsan manager). (f35 has 24 million code of line software)
• TAI-Aselsan: Gallium-nitride (GaN) Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, Integrated Processing Computer (Mission Computer), Infrared Search and Track (IRST) System (in front of the cockpit), Integrated EW Suit, as well as a Integrated Electro-Optical Targeting System (which is abbreviated as BEOS in Turkish and will have a similar function as the Electro-Optical Targeting System [EOTS] on the F-35), Helmet Mounted Sight System (HMDS, there is no HUD at the cockpit) and an Integrated Cockpit Display System (panoramic cockpit. Aselsan also is developing Integrated RF System (abbreviated as BÜRFİS in Turkish) for the MMU/TF-X. The BÜRFİS Project aims to increase the Technology Readiness Level (TRL) by developing critical technology elements with national means such as: Low Visibility Radar and Electronic Warfare Integrated Antenna Designs suitable for 5th Generation aircraft structure. Radar and EW Integrated Receiver/Transmitter Structures. AESA-based Combat Aircraft Radar Algorithms with simultaneous function capability. Broadband high-performance RF Components.
• TAI-Tübitak: The Integrated Processing Unit (IPU, a mission computer and abbreviated as BÜİT in Turkish)
• TAI-TrMotor: National turbofan engine (max.30000lbf class)
• TAI-BAE System: Consultancy and Engineering help for over all stealth design fuselage

 

[Oublious]

The deals related with Tf-X

• Tusaş-Artificial Intelligence Structures: The design and production of eight flight control rods and the determination of the company as the preferred supplier for the future production of 200 products
• Havelsan-TrMotor: The development and certification of engine avionic control units. In these systems, the local and national Real-Time Operating System (GIS) developed by TÜBİTAK BİLGEM will be used.
• TAI-Havelsan: Embedded Training, Training and Maintenance Simulators and engineering support (Virtual Test Environment, project-level software development, and cybersecurity).
• Havelsan MMU engineering team: (~500 engineers) are writing more than 20 million code of line softwares for Tf-X fighter computers(Source: Havelsan manager). (f35 has 24 million code of line software)
• TAI-Aselsan: Gallium-nitride (GaN) Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, Integrated Processing Computer (Mission Computer), Infrared Search and Track (IRST) System (in front of the cockpit), Integrated EW Suit, as well as a Integrated Electro-Optical Targeting System (which is abbreviated as BEOS in Turkish and will have a similar function as the Electro-Optical Targeting System [EOTS] on the F-35), Helmet Mounted Sight System (HMDS, there is no HUD at the cockpit) and an Integrated Cockpit Display System (panoramic cockpit. Aselsan also is developing Integrated RF System (abbreviated as BÜRFİS in Turkish) for the MMU/TF-X. The BÜRFİS Project aims to increase the Technology Readiness Level (TRL) by developing critical technology elements with national means such as: Low Visibility Radar and Electronic Warfare Integrated Antenna Designs suitable for 5th Generation aircraft structure. Radar and EW Integrated Receiver/Transmitter Structures. AESA-based Combat Aircraft Radar Algorithms with simultaneous function capability. Broadband high-performance RF Components.
• TAI-Tübitak: The Integrated Processing Unit (IPU, a mission computer and abbreviated as BÜİT in Turkish)
• TAI-TrMotor: National turbofan engine (max.30000lbf class)
• TAI-BAE System: Consultancy and Engineering help for over all stealth design fuselage

It is getting form the project....

 

[Huelague]

SSTEK

www.sstek.com.tr

 

[Reviewbrah]

We need a 4th+ gen aircraft as much as we need 5th gen.

My biggest concern about MMU is the cost

Developing 4th gen before MMU would had been much more risk free approach (we would even get to have a carrier based aircraft)

 

[Yasar_TR]

We need a 4th+ gen aircraft as much as we need 5th gen.

My biggest concern about MMU is the cost

Developing 4th gen before MMU would had been much more risk free approach (we would even get to have a carrier based aircraft)

First batch of TFX will be a 4+ gen aircraft with a Low RCS.
In fact it will be a souped up f15 with a fairly low RCS.

 

[azaher77]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1319656170693496835

For our domestic and national combat aircraft, which is one of the mega projects of our country, with all our partners, day and night,

 

[Reviewbrah]

First batch of TFX will be a 4+ gen aircraft with a Low RCS.
In fact it will be a souped up f15 with a fairly low RCS.

There is a saying that best fighter aircraft is the one you can afford to operate regularly

MMU will be an very expensive aircraft, especially at initial production. Possible partners to MMU will not be able to invest large sum to the program. Funding of MMU depends on Turkish economy.

I wish there was a program with Pakistan etc. to co-develop a cost-effective 4th+ gen multi role fighter as a stop gap for our current aging fleet.

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1325431370890547200

 

[Brave Janissary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1325431370890547200

Thanks we dont need any embargo in the future.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1325431370890547200

Source of the news Defense Turkey magazine 97th issue
The news is not new. No need for excitement.

“We Have Continued to Strengthen Our Business Development with Turkish Companies!”

Defence Turkey presents an exclusive interview with Levent DÜNYA, Director of HENSOLDT GmbH Turkey Ankara Liaison Office and Harald Hansen, Director of Sales for Maritime Optronics at HENSOLDT on the Company’s history in Turkey, their ongoing activities in Turkey as well as the collaboration...

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[Oublious]

Do we want to work with a Western company still after what ther goverment acting against us?