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Like a flying Kaan prototype in 2024?
not comparable imo. I think the chances of a 35,000 lb thrust domestic engine being ready in 2028 are almost zero. Maybe the core of a souped up F110 can be ready which probs would be close to 35k lb thrust (considering what was achievable with F110-GE-132), but that's the extent of it.
 

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>I think that the chances of a 35,000 lb thrust domestic engine being ready in 2028 are extremely low.
That is the topic I want to learn more. If you think that it will not be ready why do you think of the technical limitations ? If you think we can get it ready how do you think we can achive that?
 

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I don't believe it either, at least a demonstrator/prototype should be available by now and it should also work and have a few tests behind it so that the schedule is realistic.
There is absolutely no evidence for this....
Just testing and certifying and troubleshooting both the hardware and the software of the engine is a matter of several years.
The pilot's life depends on it, it has to deliver full performance in both normal and stressful situations on the aircraft, the tests for material fatigue due to heat, cold and pressure alone are simply extremely time-consuming and not a matter of a few months.
And here is the talk of series production aircraft with Turkish engines from 2028, that is simply a lie I ask you .... don't believe every crap that is posted on Twitter.
The Turkish engine will come, but realistically not before 2032-34.
Until I get confirmation from KAAN from the manufacturer TEI, anything else is pure speculation in the realm of fable and a waste of time.
 

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I don't believe it either, at least a demonstrator/prototype should be available by now and it should also work and have a few tests behind it so that the schedule is realistic.
There is absolutely no evidence for this....
Just testing and certifying and troubleshooting both the hardware and the software of the engine is a matter of several years.
The pilot's life depends on it, it has to deliver full performance in both normal and stressful situations on the aircraft, the tests for material fatigue due to heat, cold and pressure alone are simply extremely time-consuming and not a matter of a few months.
And here is the talk of series production aircraft with Turkish engines from 2028, that is simply a lie I ask you .... don't believe every crap that is posted on Twitter.
The Turkish engine will come, but realistically not before 2032-34.
Until I get confirmation from KAAN from the manufacturer TEI, anything else is pure speculation in the realm of fable and a waste of time.
TS 1400 took 6 years for first flight. I can't imagine KAAN engine being any less even with best case scenario.
 

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The fact that TEI-TF6000 hasn't even had its first ignition yet is extremely worrying especially since we no that TEI hasn't even developed all the materials that are needed for the 35,000 lb thrust domestic engine.
 

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TEI is not developing the TF-35000 engine.
TRMOTOR is developing it and TEI does assist them.
So why do you all compare the developement of the TF-6000 engine, which is TEI doing by itself?
The first priority is TF-35000, so since TEI is assisting its development, maybe TF-35000 is the first priority of TEI too, so they do not concentrate solely on TF-6000.
 

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TEI is not developing the TF-35000 engine.
TRMOTOR is developing it and TEI does assist them.
So why do you all compare the developement of the TF-6000 engine, which is TEI doing by itself?
The first priority is TF-35000, so since TEI is assisting its development, maybe TF-35000 is the first priority of TEI too, so they do not concentrate solely on TF-6000.
Because TEI is the only company with know how, infrastructure and experience to build something like that in the country and they are basically the biggest contributor? And because TF6000 is basically the tech demonstrator for kaan engine built by TEI?
 

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Does anyone know why only 20 KAAN will be delivered ? Why not 50

for instance if KAAN with the GE engine can fulfill the role of F4 /F16 wouldn’t it be better to have more of them. While we’re working on domestic engine.

Especially Hürjet seems in particular danger of being shelved while we’re dreaming of 6.gen and such.
 

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Will it be easy to swap the F110 for the TF-35000 in KAAN airframes built using the F110?

If that is the case, does it matter so much if initial batches of KAAN have to be fitted with the F110? Ideally it would be better to fit all production KAAN with TF-35000 but if the engine is not ready in 2028, KAAN production could still be undertaken using F110 until the TF-35000 is available. KAAN aircraft fiited with F110 could be refitted with TF-3500 at a later point (and the engines removed could be modified for re-use in F-16)
 

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That is also what I thought. People are more into R&D than atually having new modern combat redy vehicles in the armed forces.

Denmark is literally bareboned, but our politicians are typically avoiding adressing it.
 

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TEI is not developing the TF-35000 engine.
TRMOTOR is developing it and TEI does assist them.
So why do you all compare the developement of the TF-6000 engine, which is TEI doing by itself?
The first priority is TF-35000, so since TEI is assisting its development, maybe TF-35000 is the first priority of TEI too, so they do not concentrate solely on TF-6000.

If I’m not mistaken, TRMotor is tasked to design the TF-35000 and TEI to built all the the necessary part and build it.
 

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TEI is not developing the TF-35000 engine.
TRMOTOR is developing it and TEI does assist them.
So why do you all compare the developement of the TF-6000 engine, which is TEI doing by itself?
The first priority is TF-35000, so since TEI is assisting its development, maybe TF-35000 is the first priority of TEI too, so they do not concentrate solely on TF-6000.
Do you have a source on that? Because that sounds dubious to me. And if that is true, we are truly fucked. Because not only TRMotor has no experience designing anything more than power units for engines, but also its 2024 and they have fuck all to show but some generic cgi motors on their website and videos.
 

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Do you have a source on that? Because that sounds dubious to me. And if that is true, we are truly fucked. Because not only TRMotor has no experience designing anything more than power units for engines, but also its 2024 and they have fuck all to show but some generic cgi motors on their website and videos.

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According to your logic, BMC Power should not be able to produce all engine prototypes, which they did already produce and are currently testing.
 

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The only reason for the establishment of TRmotor is that half of TEI is owned by GE. In order to have an engine that is 100% owned by Turkey, TRmotor should produce it, not TEI. In fact, TEI will do the work, but officially it will look like TRmotor is doing it.
 

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The only reason for the establishment of TRmotor is that half of TEI is owned by GE. In order to have an engine that is 100% owned by Turkey, TRmotor should produce it, not TEI. In fact, TEI will do the work, but officially it will look like TRmotor is doing it.

According to your logic, Türkiye needs approval of the USA, when they want to export all the engines TEI developed.
For which engine export of TEI did Türkiye ask the USA? Can you name one?
 

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TRMOTOR is %100 owned by TAI, and TEI is also %51 owned by TAI. TRMotor is a design bureau, and TEI is a factory. TEI design team (biggest), the TRMotor design team(TRMotor recruited engineers), and the Ivchenko Progress design team (their position is similar to BAE input in KAAN) work under TRMotor that way all of the design capabilities came together under a single structure to unify design efforts. It seems like this approach accelerated the engine project.

IMHO RR missed its chance. Bad for them they will lose billions. Because I expect Kaan to sell like hotcakes. There won't be any Kaan alternative on sale in 2030s. KAAN will be the only 5th gen fighter available at that size and kinematic capability with stealth and 5th-generation sensor suite. Tempest won't be around. French FCAS won't be around. AMCA won't be equal as it is a smaller fighter. F-35 will also be smaller and it comes with a lot of strings attached.
 
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The only reason for the establishment of TRmotor is that half of TEI is owned by GE. In order to have an engine that is 100% owned by Turkey, TRmotor should produce it, not TEI. In fact, TEI will do the work, but officially it will look like TRmotor is doing it.
Dont forget that 'some' experienced engineers and technicians went from TEI to TRmotor.
 

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