Our Indian friends should very well know just looking at the S400 deal of how double standards is religion for Western alliance. So I suggest you do as @Nilgiri said and see how it goes, take it as an adventure.
I think we shouldn't turn this thread India vs Turkey. Both country tryto develop an defence industry and both Getting some assitance till being fully independent.
I was away for a few days (and wont be back fully till after new years)....and seems some replies etc got deleted to put the thread back on track.
I have long agreed with these sentiments....both countries on road of progress of their larger context.
TF-X and AMCA are respectively programs that illustrate ambition vis a vis the pragmatic bases developed so far....but there are many more for both to show this.
So reading too much into it to aggrandize or put-down things (without proper knowledge or understanding especially) is not productive...especially as we just have time + downstream realisation to be final record/proof on it.
It just angers people and more ignorance comes out and it can cascade (though not like some other fora thankfully as mods are attuned to it here). It is kind of typical predictable forum agitation in the end.
Some Turkish members wanted to counter-agitate vs the agitator clearly....and just reverse uno-ed the blah blah assertions with again no actual display of requisite knowledge on the matter.
If they want to be educated on the matter at hand, they can come to the correct thread to do that rather than go into "eye for an eye" format here....past it being off topic.
I acknowledge appreciate the calmer objective basis some also provided to try steer things away from subjective + emotional basis by some Turks I long respect here.
But how do we more objectively establish underlying basis to TF-X program w.r.t Turkey?
Or who is credible to debate it (when they bring in/assert on whole countries) when they are not from Turkey especially?
Read on to find out... what are core numbers that show TF-X has commensurate bedrock (without needing to go into heavy nuanced details)
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Turkey is established industrial and growing country of consequence (and this is what finally means something to bedrock to support TF-X etc)
Its modern nationstate founder was aligned to secularism and left great impact downstream.
It is why I had great pleasure to interact with intellectual Turks in Canada.
One (different to my buddy's thesis advisor I already mentioned) was even dept. head in one of my universities for my discipline....no easy feat.
Just another example, I can mention some more too.
Without that founder's impact (on secular basis, reformed mind and recognising education importance), I would not have nowhere as likely done so...as Turkey would have been far more backward today without Ataturk founding principles.
It is essentially why I give benefit of doubt to Turkey on intellectual+deployed matters in timeframes it sets for itself that others can observe and monitor objectively if they find objectivity something worthy.
This bears a larger basis/impact with TF-X and other such projects in the end (Credibility wise).
For example, Turkey this completed decade increased its granted international patents per year from about 300 (in 2010) to nearly 1000 (in 2020).
India the number ramp over same time was from about 2000/year to 8000/year.
All relevant ratios like population size can be applied....and shown that both are improving well relative to their context (inherited in 2000 - 2010 etc).
Turkey is about twice ahead here in per capita terms to India (i.e India with 16 times more people, should be at about 16000 patents granted abroad per year).
Same can be done w.r.t China and Russia....and a worthy exercise to analyse if one approaches it with good faith intent to learn.
There is a reason India for example does increasingly get mentioned on certain things:
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/articles/20211218.aspx
Taiwan admits it recruited engineers and retired submariners from the U.S., Britain, Australia, South Korea, India, Spain, and Canada
This all establishes the baseline credibility for all high-tech strategic projects like TFX.
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But on that same basis I find it amusing some non-Turks butting in here to "like" and even add their asserted sustenance to the ignorance displayed toward my country.
Turkish members responding in emotional way I can understand somewhat (and I have zero need to respond to them given they didn't start it and are likely fairly young+impulsive in most instances)
....but others with axe to grind (given the most distasteful things they have spammed elsewhere) have special hypocrisy and lack of credibility (given they are not Turkish or Indian in this bilateral agitation that took place here)...
More so given they selectively use this on India rather than their OWN country first (and focus there)given they are outside the ballpark here (and by MAGNITUDES)
If they are 1/6th of India, surely they would have 1/6th here? Or at least 1/10th? To then somewhat credibly try assert fortitude tiers in the arena?
i.e 8000/10 = 800 patents per year granted abroad....correct?
Are they even at 100 though? Or even 50? Or have to keep going lower than even that? Is that low number increasing or stagnant in well below <50 range?
Is the exercise worth confirming with vetted science output as well?
Forget 5th Gen TF-X like aircraft.....lets go to missiles and space ecosystem (that lower tiers of are much more simpler to reach).
You see even Iran and North Korea having acquired, developed and deployed ballistic missile technology for some time and scale...have also developed space launchers with time. It happens for a reason sustainably in general in the world.
The exception is quite singular and striking.... those that can't get to sounding rocket level from that (very much related to the patent + industrial + intellectual fortitude)
Something they don't introspect in the echo chambers they dwell and fester in....along with other matters of actual note.
So they predictably "cheerlead" when they surface here...something they got addicted to for a number of reasons.
Their selective deranged assertion on who can and cannot be mentioned among actual intellectually + industrially expanding countries means diddly squat in the end.
It is why I treat TF-X seriously just like AMCA....compared to paperweight placeholder stuff from ~30 int. granted patent a year countries (with no infrastructure + funding layout for such projects)...and the dregs that show up blabbing/liking to curry favour and/or (hypocritically and irrationally) put down India's growing capability and credibility.
Sociopathic emotionalism is correlated to this expressed lack of intellectual ability....furthermore connected to how in just short span of few days....even asserted brother Turks got kicked out en masse from their "top class" "very professional" fora.
It is with this new forum here (precipitated by that ejection and set up robustly for actual discussion), we get to actual matters of note w.r.t TF-X.
I am thankful for that as that is best way to shed rational light on misunderstanding stemming from wherever (among those that actually receptive to it).
