TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[MADDOG]

Would an extensive change be possible? And if so, do you think it can be done without causing delays?

We will come across an evolving platform but without much delays. As aforementioned, the aircraft is merely evolving. There won't be drastic changes to prototypes to address deficiencies, but there will in fact be changes as it is simply a natural consequence of the developmental approach TAI seems to be taking. I can't comment on how drastic some of these changes might be (as that differs from eye to eye), but there will be notable differences in between the first few prototypes. With the completion of CDR, design changes will be less extreme.

We might still see major differences as time goes on though. We have now entered a stage in which development will never stop. There will be no "design freeze", although we have to abide by that rule officially. A more extreme example of this is Hürkuş. Her aerodynamic profile alone has gone through so many modifications even though TAI isn't as experimental as Baykar (as far as R&D/ testing goes).

(All credit goes to Uğur Özkan https://500px.com/p/ugurphoto?view=photos)

 

[infrared]

Should we expect to see some of these changes in the upcoming P1or are they for even later prototypes?

 

[MADDOG]

Should we expect to see some of these changes in the upcoming P1or are they for even later prototypes?

P1 will look a bit different, as noted by the head engineer himself. I'm expecting some minor changes to the later prototypes.

 

[MADDOG]

When you put it like that, it makes sense. Do you think we will see a similar approach with Hürjet and if they do it, Hürkuş-2?

Hürjet has already gone through her PDR and CDR phases. For KAAN's case, they weren't even half way through PDR when they were assembling the forward fuselage. So there is a big difference there. Hürjet's development has been and will be relatively straight forward from a complexity standpoint. Hürkuş-2 is no different in my personal opinion.

 

[zio]

We will come across an evolving platform but without much delays. As aforementioned, the aircraft is merely evolving. There won't be drastic changes to prototypes to address deficiencies, but there will in fact be changes as it is simply a natural consequence of the developmental approach TAI seems to be taking. I can't comment on how drastic some of these changes might be (as that differs from eye to eye), but there will be notable differences in between the first few prototypes. With the completion of CDR, design changes will be less extreme.

We might still see major differences as time goes on though. We have now entered a stage in which development will never stop. There will be no "design freeze", although we have to abide by that rule officially. A more extreme example of this is Hürkuş. Her aerodynamic profile alone has gone through so many modifications even though TAI isn't as experimental as Baykar (as far as R&D/ testing goes).

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(All credit goes to Uğur Özkan https://500px.com/p/ugurphoto?view=photos)

We have lost a lot of money and many things being late and still continue to late on the market,missed opportunties cant be full fielded.

 

[Quasar]

 

[hawk21]

Some design based aspects of the aircraft are set to change. Bare that in mind before coming to conclusions. Let it be the IWB or the aerodynamic configuration of the airframe.

I am a little disappointed because i'm beginning to think one of these changes is that there will only be 1 main weapon bay + 2 side bays instead of the 2+2 = 4 bays shown earlier. Kind of a bummer for me.

 

[uçuyorum]

I am a little disappointed because i'm beginning to think one of these changes is that there will only be 1 main weapon bay + 2 side bays instead of the 2+2 = 4 bays shown earlier. Kind of a bummer for me.

That's what I see from current visuals. But he is saying these are subject to change for next prototype. What I hope is TFX carries a good amount more fuel than originally envisioned.

 

[Ecderha]

When did I ever say TAI did something wrong?

I believe you're constantly failing to grasp my argument so I'm stressing my initial point again and in greater detail.



I'm saying if TAI was careless enough to bring an aircraft that is undergoing testing to a festival it would've portrayed enough evidence to treat the misdemeanour in question as an act of overconfidence. Unlike confidence, overconfidence is often seen as a manipulator that could potentially trigger failure. It's best for all sides to avoid it, this is especially true for the aviation sector (both civil and military). And I'm praising TAI for sticking to their culture via not opting to forcibly bring the aircraft to teknofest, therefore enabling the flight test campaign to move swiftly. My comment, from beginning to end, was a full on praise. Nothing more nothing less. I now hope I was able to get my point across.



As someone who has been deeply involved with TAI, yes. I'm well aware.

When did I ever say TAI did something wrong?

About that.
Haters keep saying that KAAN is 4.9999 gen fighter
It is not 5 generation
It is look like TAI failed and you too

 

[MADDOG]

I am a little disappointed because i'm beginning to think one of these changes is that there will only be 1 main weapon bay + 2 side bays instead of the 2+2 = 4 bays shown earlier. Kind of a bummer for me.

If you see such a change in the upcoming prototype(s), then rest assured there is a very good reason behind it. We should all appreciate the fact that as the design matures, the aircraft automatically suites the contractual requirements better. TAI has been working with the Air Force Command very closely from the start.

 

[Heartbang]

I am a little disappointed because i'm beginning to think one of these changes is that there will only be 1 main weapon bay + 2 side bays instead of the 2+2 = 4 bays shown earlier. Kind of a bummer for me.

If that singular weapon bay turns out to be the size of 2 previously mentioned bays, I see that as an absolute win.

Imagine yeeting Siper block-2 ER from KAAN'S IWB.

 

[Afif]

Imagine yeeting Siper block-2 ER from KAAN'S IWB.

Imagine yeeting ICBM from KAAN's IWB.

 

[MADDOG]

Imagine yeeting ICBM from KAAN's IWB.

"This gives TAI a wonderful idea"

 

[Afif]

"This gives TAI a wonderful idea"

I know what TAI engineers are doing is nothing short of spectacular.
But people really need to stop asking for impossible.

 

[Heartbang]

But people really need to stop asking for impossible.

Is "the impossible" ICBM's? Yes.

But sneaking Siper's into KAAN's IWB is feasible. The measurements should check out.

Also, there are rumors of SM missiles being adopted to be used on NGAD.

 

[Afif]

But sneaking Siper's into KAAN's IWB is feasible. The measurements should check out.
Also, there are rumors of SM missiles being adopted to be used on NGAD.

How so? SIPER B2 is huge.
Also, can you provide any link for this so called rumor about NGAD? Didn't hear it before. I like to look into it.

 

[Heartbang]

How so? SIPER B2 is huge.

KAAN central IWB is configured to carry 4 Fox-3's in a non-staggered format, in a manner similar to the SU-57:

Two AMRAAM's end-to-end measures 7.3 meters. Their wingspan measures 96.52 cm, tip to tip.

Therefore, four AMRAAM's will occupy a space measured 7.3 m x 96.52 cm x 96.52 cm inside the bay.

According to İbrahim Sünnetçi, Siper block-2 measures 6,2 meters and has a diameter of 42 cm.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695407742335291810

Therefore, if the 2+2 IWB layout is turned into 2+1 mega bay layout, it is feasible to assume one can fit two Siper block-2's AND at least 2 MK-81's in place of 4 AMRAAMs.
Or just 2 Siper block-2ER's. (assuming they stay under 8 meters as @KAZooMAN s estimates https://defencehub.live/threads/air-defence-programs.65/post-286831)

This is how.

 

[Radonsider]

I still think that there is a big misunderstanding for Siper B2's size, it did happen before with Siper-B1/Hisar RF and Hisar-O, it is not uncommon

 

[Quasar]

I am a little disappointed because i'm beginning to think one of these changes is that there will only be 1 main weapon bay + 2 side bays instead of the 2+2 = 4 bays shown earlier. Kind of a bummer for me.

In humble opinion 1 main weapon bay + 2 side bays is the optimum solution for a multirole 5 gen fighter, since a deep single main weapon bay provides enough space for wide variety of surface attack options for KAAN (without compromising the quantity of BWR missiles) in contrast to for instance two part main weapon bay of F 22 which is an air superiority fighter with relativly weak land attack cappability. I guess the key word here is KAAN = multirole

even in comparison to F 35 which is a multirole fighter like KAAN, KAAN's single main weapon bay is quite sizable, well structured and seperated from the rest of plane's systems because of KAAN's size.

KAAN

F 35

F 22

 

[Kaan Azman]

KAAN central IWB is configured to carry 4 Fox-3's in a non-staggered format, in a manner similar to the SU-57:
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Two AMRAAM's end-to-end measures 7.3 meters. Their wingspan measures 96.52 cm, tip to tip.

Therefore, four AMRAAM's will occupy a space measured 7.3 m x 96.52 cm x 96.52 cm inside the bay.

According to İbrahim Sünnetçi, Siper block-2 measures 6,2 meters and has a diameter of 42 cm.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695407742335291810

Therefore, if the 2+2 IWB layout is turned into 2+1 mega bay layout, it is feasible to assume one can fit two Siper block-2's AND at least 2 MK-81's in place of 4 AMRAAMs.
Or just 2 Siper block-2ER's. (assuming they stay under 8 meters as @KAZooMAN s estimates https://defencehub.live/threads/air-defence-programs.65/post-286831)

This is how.

I doubt they will change the layout from triple to a mega long one. But since SM6 without a booster has been tested on Super Hornet as an interim solution for next gen LRAAM, why not for F-16?

But again, we have GÖKHAN project going for that role, and a liquid fuel ramjet should certainly bring a chubby engagement envelope. Only info to be released will tell us about how viable would it be to develop Siper B2 into an AAM.