TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Spitfire9]

Given that the KAAN's design is not frozen, is it sensible to build several more prototypes while data gained from prototype 1 testing has not yet been gathered? Perhaps there is a sense of urgency, given no clearance to export F-16 or Typhoon, so the idea is to get iKAAN developed quickly even if that raises the cost.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Given that the KAAN's design is not frozen, is it sensible to build several more prototypes while data gained from prototype 1 testing has not yet been gathered? Perhaps there is a sense of urgency, given no clearance to export F-16 or Typhoon, so the idea is to get iKAAN developed quickly even if that raises the cost.

Design is frozen now.

 

[Saithan]

https://x.com/adenkut/status/1733044732933099816?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g foreign press commenting on Kaan.

Click on YouTube for the report made by Chinese media in English

 

[Afif]

https://x.com/adenkut/status/1733044732933099816?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g foreign press commenting on Kaan.

This has been posted here before, I think.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

• KAAN AESA radar will have 2000+ GaN TRM
• 2nd KAAN prototype will have radar
• Production of two more test aircraft has started, one of which is scheduled to be ready in mid-2024.
• First KAAN prototype won't have stealth coating
• Flight computer and a fully functional landing gear has now been integrated into the first KAAN's airframe.

Was kann Kaan? Der neue Stealth-Kampfet der Türkei

Der neue, hauseigene Stealth-Fighter Kaan ist der Star der türkischen Luftfahrtindustrie. Beim Rollout im Mai war er längst nicht fertig, doch das ist jetzt anders. Startet Kaan demnächst zum Erstflug? Ein Werksbesuch bei Hersteller Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI).

www.flugrevue.de

 

[UcanTost]

• KAAN AESA radar will have 2000+ GaN TRM
• 2nd KAAN prototype will have radar
• Production of two more test aircraft has started, one of which is scheduled to be ready in mid-2024.
• Flight computer and a fully functional landing gear has now been integrated into the first KAAN's airframe.

Was kann Kaan? Der neue Stealth-Kampfet der Türkei

Der neue, hauseigene Stealth-Fighter Kaan ist der Star der türkischen Luftfahrtindustrie. Beim Rollout im Mai war er längst nicht fertig, doch das ist jetzt anders. Startet Kaan demnächst zum Erstflug? Ein Werksbesuch bei Hersteller Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI).

www.flugrevue.de

WHAT ELSE IS NEEDED TO SEE IT FLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

 

[boredaf]

Production of two more test aircraft has started, one of which is scheduled to be ready in mid-2024.

I wonder if this includes the one they have already been working on, or two new test aircrafts on top of that one. Nevertheless, great news, can't wait to see what's going to happen in 2 weeks!

 

[Sanchez]

Welp. Delays happen. This won't be the last one, we'll read many over the years. Kaan is literally the hardest thing we ever tried to do.

KAAN will not make it to December 27, but it will be in the skies next year

Kaan, our National Fighter Aircraft developed by TAI, the national pride of our country, successfully completed its first ground test over the weekend.

The Kaan, which Temel Kotil, the General Manager of TAI, announced that it will take to the skies on December 27, will most likely not make it to this date, but we will see our national fighter jet Kaan in the sky in February or March next year at the latest.

Milli muharip uçağı kritik testi geçti - Teknoloji Haberleri

Ülkemizin milli gururu, TUSAŞ’ın geliştirdiği Milli Muharip Uçağımız Kaan, hafta sonu ilk yer testini başarıyla tamamladı

www.haberturk.com

Most likely part is interesting. Writing this based on a hunch or non official communique?

 

[Zafer]

Welp. Delays happen. This won't be the last one, we'll read many over the years. Kaan is literally the hardest thing we ever tried to do.

KAAN will not make it to December 27, but it will be in the skies next year

Kaan, our National Fighter Aircraft developed by TAI, the national pride of our country, successfully completed its first ground test over the weekend.

The Kaan, which Temel Kotil, the General Manager of TAI, announced that it will take to the skies on December 27, will most likely not make it to this date, but we will see our national fighter jet Kaan in the sky in February or March next year at the latest.

Milli muharip uçağı kritik testi geçti - Teknoloji Haberleri

Ülkemizin milli gururu, TUSAŞ’ın geliştirdiği Milli Muharip Uçağımız Kaan, hafta sonu ilk yer testini başarıyla tamamladı

www.haberturk.com

Most likely part is interesting. Writing this based on a hunch or non official communique?

While there is only a couple of weeks left to the intended first flight date what makes this media outlet make guesses instead of waiting and seeing, one wonders.

 

[Strong AI]

Welp. Delays happen. This won't be the last one, we'll read many over the years. Kaan is literally the hardest thing we ever tried to do.

KAAN will not make it to December 27, but it will be in the skies next year

Kaan, our National Fighter Aircraft developed by TAI, the national pride of our country, successfully completed its first ground test over the weekend.

The Kaan, which Temel Kotil, the General Manager of TAI, announced that it will take to the skies on December 27, will most likely not make it to this date, but we will see our national fighter jet Kaan in the sky in February or March next year at the latest.

Milli muharip uçağı kritik testi geçti - Teknoloji Haberleri

Ülkemizin milli gururu, TUSAŞ’ın geliştirdiği Milli Muharip Uçağımız Kaan, hafta sonu ilk yer testini başarıyla tamamladı

www.haberturk.com

Most likely part is interesting. Writing this based on a hunch or non official communique?

He does only mention it at the top of the article and with no source. Very reliable...

Flugrevue is quoting Temel Kotil who says, that they are on track.

 

[Sanchez]

He does only mention it at the top of the article and with no source. Very reliable...

Flugrevue is quoting Temel Kotil who says, that they are on track.

Flugrueve piece came out on the 8th, and not clear when was it recorded. Habertürk piece mentions weekend tests presumably from 9th and 10th. If there is a delay, it is due to these test results. We should hear more within the week.

 

[Strong AI]

Flugrueve piece came out on the 8th, and not clear when was it recorded. Habertürk piece mentions weekend tests presumably from 9th and 10th. If there is a delay, it is due to these test results. We should hear more within the week.

The piece from Habertürk contradicts itself, because he writes, that those ground tests were successfull.
So the first flight gets delayed because of successfull ground tests?
And how does he gets information about ground tests from last weekend but news sites like SavunmaSanayiST does not?
Lets assume he got insider information, why did he not quote his source?

Maybe he is not lying, but that piece is everything else than reliable.

 

[Merzifonlu]

If there is a delay, it is due to these test results.

Or the Kaan prototype passed the tests and they realized that Kaan was fit to fly. But at the last minute, the politicians came up with the idea of using this first flight as an election advertisement in the March 31 2024 elections! LOL

 

[Sanchez]

The piece from Habertürk contradicts itself, because he writes, that those ground tests were successfull.
So the first flight gets delayed because of successfull ground tests?
And how does he gets information about ground tests from last weekend but news sites like SavunmaSanayiST does not?
Lets assume he got insider information, why did he not quote his source?

Maybe he is not lying, but that piece is everything else than reliable.

We don't know the extent of the tests, nor the reason for the delay if it is delayed. A successful test could mean lots of things. SSST directly copy pasted Flugrueve's piece from the 8th without giving credit to it. They are not a fully reliable source. Let's see what comes up.

Or the Kaan prototype passed the tests and they realized that Kaan was fit to fly. But at the last minute, the politicians came up with the idea of using this first flight as an election advertisement in the March 31 2024 elections! LOL

If it flies on december, it will probably fly again in the next 3 months. Kotil has been touting 27 dec for months, doubt they would delay the first flight just for politipoints.

 

[Strong AI]

SSST directly copy pasted Flugrueve's piece from the 8th without giving credit to it. They are not a fully reliable source. Let's see what comes up.

This is correct.

And with

news sites like SavunmaSanayiST

i mean news sites related to the defense industry.

 

[Sanchez]

Welp. Delays happen. This won't be the last one, we'll read many over the years. Kaan is literally the hardest thing we ever tried to do.

KAAN will not make it to December 27, but it will be in the skies next year

Kaan, our National Fighter Aircraft developed by TAI, the national pride of our country, successfully completed its first ground test over the weekend.

The Kaan, which Temel Kotil, the General Manager of TAI, announced that it will take to the skies on December 27, will most likely not make it to this date, but we will see our national fighter jet Kaan in the sky in February or March next year at the latest.

Milli muharip uçağı kritik testi geçti - Teknoloji Haberleri

Ülkemizin milli gururu, TUSAŞ’ın geliştirdiği Milli Muharip Uçağımız Kaan, hafta sonu ilk yer testini başarıyla tamamladı

www.haberturk.com

Most likely part is interesting. Writing this based on a hunch or non official communique?

"...On December 27th, we will watch the flight of KAAN together."

Bakan Güler'den Almanya'ya: Böyle müttefiklik olmaz

Milli Savunma Bakanı Yaşar Güler, Türkiye'nin 40 adet Eurofighter uçağı tedarikine karşı çıkan Almanya'ya sert sözlerle tepki gösterdi. Güler, "Bir müttefikin 'Ben size uçak vermiyorum' demesinin açıklaması olamaz" dedi.

www.ekonomim.com

This is from today, per ekonomim.com from an NTV live interview.

 

[DBdev]

He is making his own predictions guys. This geezer Bülent Aydemir is talking about his baseless prediction as if it is reality or as if someone said to him something perhaps because as you know plane paint is stripped to better accommodate tests. I don't know for sure. To me this is being an opposition troll not journalism. Making a statement like that without even referring to any unnamed sources yet delivering it as a fact.

 

[dBSPL]

While all officials have stated that there is no delay in the December 27 schedule, speculating on this issue without citing any sources is not journalism, but an attempt to undermine the success of the program.

But this is a progress. Since last year, we have gone from the heater block(see my avatar) to the maiden flight target. There are no other nonsense claim left to hold on to.

I should also say that what happens if the first flight date is delayed by a few weeks or months? Nothing. Our engineers and the project team have done an outstanding job so far. The project is progressing far ahead of expectations. So - for the prototype development - we have already passed the critical point. The only thing left is to announce it to the world, which will be the maiden flight.

 

[DBdev]

I couldn't find link to his speech but after first taxi test Kotil said KAAN could have flew (9 months ago) if he knew how far ahead of projections TF-X project was. He could have installed flight computer software etc back in March. So I highly doubt this "journalist" or the site who are not even aware of most basic rules of journalism.

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• Independent fact-checking by another employee of the publisher is desirable. In 2018 "The Acton Plan" was created to help check information more effectively to hopefully get rid of false information.[18]
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[Saithan]

let’s wait and see. I would love it if things around Hürjet was more clear. Like mking progress and such.