TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Kartal1]

Lets drop the childish behavior and move on with some more educational content.

No need to engage in that kind of absurd debates that bring nothing positive to the table. Lets talk about facts, realities and credible information that is to be expected from us.

No more bullsh!t.

 

[Zafer]

Can anyone shed some light on how F35 and F22 do not show on radar when they open their IWB doors, if actually they don't show on radars. And can Kaan not do the same trick.

 

[hugh]

Lets drop the childish behavior and move on with some more educational content.

No need to engage in that kind of absurd debates that bring nothing positive to the table. Lets talk about facts, realities and credible information that is to be expected from us.

No more bullsh!t.

is it possible that entire convo to be deleted(from that video on)?

 

[CAN_TR]

Can anyone shed some light on how F35 or F22 does not show on radar when they open their IWB doors, if actually they don't show on radars. And can Kaan not do the same trick.

How do you know because somehow i could detect them with my balcony mounted AESA radars, jokes aside...

What is your source for this claim?

 

[Zafer]

How do you know because somehow i could detect them with my balcony mounted AESA radars, jokes aside...

What is your source for this claim?

The same topic was mentioned in that same talk about Kaan.

Don't we have information on whether they show or not on radars when they open IWB doors.

 

[CAN_TR]

The same topic was mentioned in that same talk about Kaan.

Don't we have information on whether they show or not on radars when they open IWB doors.

They are visible when the weapon bays are open, who exactly claimed that they aren't?

Why are you so eager to defend such a illogical claim?

 

[boredaf]

Can anyone shed some light on how F35 and F22 do not show on radar when they open their IWB doors, if actually they don't show on radars. And can Kaan not do the same trick.

There is no trick, when the IWB doors open they of course disturb the planes profile, they guy was once again speaking nonsense. And it doesn't take a "salise" either. You can easily find videos if you just googled F-35 / F-22 firing a missile.

Here is the link to first video for F-35:

And here is one F-22 firing missiles, launching flares and even firing its gatling:

 

[Zafer]

They are visible when the weapon bays are open, who exactly claimed that they aren't?

Why are you so eager to defend such a illogical claim?

The guy claims that the duration of open state is too short that it doesn't show on radar. Anyway, we can always wait and see after the fact.

 

[Rooxbar]

Can anyone shed some light on how F35 and F22 do not show on radar when they open their IWB doors, if actually they don't show on radars. And can Kaan not do the same trick.

sorunun cevaplanabilecek olmamasını görmek için: 18 dakika, 2x izle olsun 9 dakika; elinden öper.

 

[Zafer]

There is no trick, when the IWB doors open they of course disturb the planes profile, they guy was once again speaking nonsense. And it doesn't take a "salise" either. You can easily find videos if you just googled F-35 / F-22 firing a missile.

Here is the link to first video for F-35:

And here is one F-22 firing missiles, launching flares and even firing its gatling:

I don't want to dwell on this but the doors can also open slowly as well as fast, so videos are not a definite proof. It is good to go for such capability if there is such a thing.

 

[boredaf]

I don't want to dwell on this but the doors can also open slowly as well as fast, so videos are not a definite proof. It is good to go for such capability if there is such a thing.

Oh ffs, you're not even looking for a proof you just want to believe whatever nonsense you want to believe just because you do. I'm showing you video proof and you can find others yet you are still trying to defend a clown and smearing the make up on yourself in the process.

They don't open and close in the fraction of a second, stop believing and defending such utter nonsense.

 

[Zafer]

Oh ffs, you're not even looking for a proof you just want to believe whatever nonsense you want to believe just because you do. I'm showing you video proof and you can find others yet you are still trying to defend a clown and smearing the make up on yourself in the process.

They don't open and close in the fraction of a second, stop believing and defending such utter nonsense.

It is like you know all the facts about the F35, they may not open and close in a fraction of a second but there is the other bit of info that Kaan's IWB door performance is on par with the competition, you also dismiss this in the process. Boils down to saying no to Kaan being on par with the competition.

 

[boredaf]

but there is the other bit of info that Kaan's IWB door performance is on par with the competition, you also dismiss this in the process.

THERE IS NO INFORMATION. There is just one charlatan bullshitting and you, for some reason, believing him as if he is a prophet! He says Kaan's IWB opens, launches a missile and closes in 60th of a second then says it is the same as F-35 and F-22. That is A LIE. I literally gave you video evidence that it takes longer than a second. You cannot call something information if it is based on a lie. Neither Kaan, nor F-35 or F-22 has a IWB that works in 60th of a second, that is a fact.

Boils down to saying no to Kaan being on par with the competition.

You're reaching so fucking far that you can give yourself a reach around. You have no real arguments, you're just digging in your heels and reverting back to your default of accusing people of not being patriots or saying our products are not good.

NOBODY IS SAYING THAT. You know why? Because no one else is believing that guy in the first place. Kaan's IWB might work as well as F-35 or F-22, or might even work better. We won't have ANY IDEA until we actually see a missile fired from it, which won't happen until one of the prototypes starts its weapons integration tests, which is still a year or two away, since most flying tests will be done by next two prototypes.

Stop defending a clown because you want to believe his bullshit. There was no information on that video, there is nothing to interpret or infer. Just a charlatan bullshitting to get "likes & subscribes" from people like you who'll gobble any bullshit so long as it helps them feel better.

 

[Huelague]

If IWB doors opens, it can be seen on Radar right. The “TV Expert” said, the AI on KAAN knows, where the radar beams come from (angle) and turn the plane to become less visible. Is that correct?
What’s happen, when the plane turn his ‘back’ to the radar beams, during he opens his IWB doors ? Can the radar detect the open doors?

The IWB became an issue after the Yugoslavia war and the shot down of a F-117. We can just speculate, but after this accident, we can imagine they improved the whole system.

 

[bruhman]

If IWB doors opens, it can be seen on Radar right. The “TV Expert” said, the AI on KAAN knows, where the radar beams come from (angle) and turn the plane to become less visible. Is that correct?
What’s happen, when the plane turn his ‘back’ to the radar beams, during he opens his IWB doors ? Can the radar detect the open doors?

The IWB became an issue after the Yugoslavia war and the shot down of a F-117. We can just speculate, but after this accident, we can imagine they improved the whole system.

Don't modern AESAs pulse really fast? If there is a continous radar wave coming in, it doesn't matter if it turns or not, the opposing side is going to get some information out of it the moment it opens.

That F-117 fell because of mission planning and flying the exact same route a billion times. And also, stealth isn't completely invisibility, just reduced sight. An F-35 probably can't go right up an S-400's ass, IWB closed or not.

 

[Zafer]

Kaan's IWB might work as well as F-35 or F-22, or might even work better. We won't have ANY IDEA until we actually see a missile fired from it, which won't happen until one of the prototypes starts its weapons integration tests, which is still a year or two away, since most flying tests will be done by next two prototypes

You don't need to see a product working to believe it, you will know it from its design intent. Engineers who design the systems know how they will perform when they are made.

 

[hugh]

You don't need to see a product working to believe it, you will know it from its design intent. Engineers who design the systems know how they will perform when they are made.

The sequence is; a 5m x 1m(conservatively speaking) lid opens, the missile is released, the missile clears the lid, the lid is closed.

If you think this whole sequence can be done in 60th of a second, then you need to put on a watch, sit under a tree and recalibrate yourself.

 

[Zoth]

The sequence is; a 5m x 1m(conservatively speaking) lid opens, the missile is released, the missile clears the lid, the lid is closed.

If you think this whole sequence can be done in 60th of a second, then you need to put on a watch, sit under a tree and recalibrate yourself.

Even if this was hypothetically or mathematically possible, i can't imagine the energy required for a system to open and close it's lid so fast, the impact would even damage the jet itself, some people can't understand how short even a second is, can't even imagine a 60th of a second.

 

[Zafer]

The sequence is; a 5m x 1m(conservatively speaking) lid opens, the missile is released, the missile clears the lid, the lid is closed.

If you think this whole sequence can be done in 60th of a second, then you need to put on a watch, sit under a tree and recalibrate yourself.

I am not thinking it can.

However there is a merit to doing this task in a very short time and race is on to achieve the lowest time.

You need to also understand that in such fast phenomenon when you talk about splitseconds you don't just talk about 1 millisecond but you talk about many of them. That means you are talking about a matter where fractions of a second must be considered to describe the event. I would understand it as from a few 60th of a second to a few seconds, otherwise a mention of splitseconds wouldn't be required.

I know from using milliseconds in web programming. In webpage load events we use them frequently; like how much a process has to wait before it triggers another event in the web pages creation and behavior. For an example Firefox refreshes a webpages flow every 12 milliseconds.

And no, I am not just telling this as a response to your post but also to other people, so no complaints about verboseness is accepted.

 

[Sanchez]

If I may,

However there is a merit to doing this task in a very short time and race is on to achieve the lowest time.

I think everyone would agree with this.

Problem with shortening that timeframe is down to very fast and powerful actuators needing to be heavy to handle that kind of load, and this all being on an aircraft going 500kmh, hence it needing to be as light as possible. Same with the door itself.

Actual reason people disagree and lambast the guy on the tv is because it's not physically possible to complete the action of opening door, extending and releasing the missile and closing the door under a second. Saying "a shorter timeframe to complete this action is advantageous" is very different than saying it can be done in miliseconds. And by that effect, if someone is very certain on something this clear and basic(that this action can't be done in miliseconds), it's very possible that the person in question with a stick in his hand have also misunderstood other things that were told to him by the engineers during his trip, and he's an unreliable source at best and we shouldn't put much thought into his words and claims on tv.