TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[boredaf]

Of course, the function is more important, but this jet is more than a fighter jet, it's a propaganda tool and it builds the reputation of the country and its people. Whether you like it or not, it should look like it performs, the exterior does matter. Why do so many people try to tear up the F-35 or F-22? Because it's a glaring example of American power.

Look at the SU-57, they brought it to China, and everyone laughed at them.
SU-57 is a low stealth, low-quality mess, showing how backward Russian workmanship/engineering is and therefore Russia is.
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Comparing apples to oranges here. TAI's first prototype was built better than this SU-57, placement of rudders are completely irrelevant to that. And it is beyond ridiculous to dig your heels on "OmG It ShOuLd LoOk BeAuTiFuL" when all that matters is its performance. No one will give two fucks if it wins a 5th gen jet fighter beauty contest while performing like shit. Engineers at TAI might change the positioning or they might not, but they sure as fuck won't make that decision based on its looks.

 

[TR_123456]

Of course, the function is more important, but this jet is more than a fighter jet, it's a propaganda tool and it builds the reputation of the country and its people. Whether you like it or not, it should look like it performs, the exterior does matter. Why do so many people try to tear up the F-35 or F-22? Because it's a glaring example of American power.

Look at the SU-57, they brought it to China, and everyone laughed at them.
SU-57 is a low stealth, low-quality mess, showing how backward Russian workmanship/engineering is and therefore Russia is.
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That is a bit of an overreaction by your side.
We are not Russians,all our weapon systems produced by our companies are in perfect shape.
You should compare the Russian systems to that of Iran.
So,stop worrying!

 

[blackjack]

Of course, the function is more important, but this jet is more than a fighter jet, it's a propaganda tool and it builds the reputation of the country and its people. Whether you like it or not, it should look like it performs, the exterior does matter. Why do so many people try to tear up the F-35 or F-22? Because it's a glaring example of American power.

Look at the SU-57, they brought it to China, and everyone laughed at them.
SU-57 is a low stealth, low-quality mess, showing how backward Russian workmanship/engineering is and therefore Russia is.
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To be fair they brought prototype instead of the serial produced su-57 to that airshow. I think next year the Su-75 will be showcased at airshows

"The first flight of the Checkmate will take place in 2024, Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov said in a [March 2023] interview with Interfax."

 

[TR_123456]

To be fair they brought prototype instead of the serial produced su-57 to that airshow. I think next year the Su-75 will be showcased at airshows
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"The first flight of the Checkmate will take place in 2024, Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov said in a [March 2023] interview with Interfax."

Why did they make such a mistake,dont they know people will take pictures and of course ridicule them?
International Airshow,you send the best!

 

[blackjack]

Why did they make such a mistake,dont they know people will take pictures and of course ridicule them?
International Airshow,you send the best!

I think there is some sensitive detailed information you wouldn't want to share with the public is my take. I doubt the Chinese want to purchase other 5th gens anyways other than their own.

 

[TR_123456]

I think there is some sensitive detailed information you wouldn't want to share with the public is my take. I doubt the Chinese want to purchase other 5th gens anyways other than their own.

What sensitive detailed information are you talking about?
Im talking about the finishes of the planes,just send a finished hull without content.
A mockup.
This one doesnt fly,does it?
When half of the world is looking for reasons to ridicule you,why give them a chance to do that?

 

[Rooxbar]

Seeing how there are many new posts in this thread I got excited thinking there's news about the second prototype or sth

 

[blackjack]

What sensitive detailed information are you talking about?
Im talking about the finishes of the planes,just send a finished hull without content.
A mockup.
This one doesnt fly,does it?
When half of the world is looking for reasons to ridicule you,why give them a chance to do that?

Soldier30 has that covered on his latest post https://defencehub.live/threads/aircraft-and-aerospace-programs.18475/page-12#post-347077, I don't think they care anymore about any kind of negativity in this world anymore

 

[Hannibal]

I don’t like Russian designs, even the location of the APU is irritating. ->> Closer engines mean more stability, more stealth and easier to hide heat signature.

 

[Saithan]

Ok, mate this going more south than it's good. Just remember this, Russia is still producing and selling fighter jets, while we are working on ours.

 

[Lool]

Are simsek's statements actually true?
Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir's F-35 remarks are on the agenda once again:

— The F-35 maintenance and repair center was going to be established in Turkey. They suddenly brought a condition: You will make a special section in the facility, it will be caged and locked. We will put an American there. You will not touch the core of the engine, the personnel we will put it in will bring it to you.

— Then they said: You will not touch the trash of radar absorbing paint, we will take it to America. You will not even look at the trash.

Buying the F-35 is not the issue, the real problem is the dependency it will create on you.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854883042571305466

 

[Zoth]

Are simsek's statements actually true?
Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir's F-35 remarks are on the agenda once again:

— The F-35 maintenance and repair center was going to be established in Turkey. They suddenly brought a condition: You will make a special section in the facility, it will be caged and locked. We will put an American there. You will not touch the core of the engine, the personnel we will put it in will bring it to you.

— Then they said: You will not touch the trash of radar absorbing paint, we will take it to America. You will not even look at the trash.

Buying the F-35 is not the issue, the real problem is the dependency it will create on you.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854883042571305466

This is the right approach, if you want your stealth fighter to stay stealthy and hold a technological edge over others which you spent billions in R&D, this approach is very well justified. In critical technologies it's even a must, even for us imho.

 

[what]

I think I've read before that F35 paint has always be shipped back to the US. That was not a Turkey specific thing.

 

[Samba]

Aside from all mentioned, you can not fly the planet without an approval code from the us. Imagine you need it the most critical time and us is not providing the code !!! Only country with a code generator is Israel, of course...

 

[Oublious]

This is the right approach, if you want your stealth fighter to stay stealthy and hold a technological edge over others which you spent billions in R&D, this approach is very well justified. In critical technologies it's even a must, even for us imho.

Well if you accept that then you will accept more things when they force you to .

 

[Huelague]

I think I've read before that F35 paint has always be shipped back to the US. That was not a Turkey specific thing.

I don’t understand. Who can stopp any of F-35 operators to survey the RAM paint? Just scrape of the paint a bit.

 

[uçuyorum]

I don’t understand. Who can stopp any of F-35 operators to survey the RAM paint? Just scrape of the paint a bit.

Then repaint comes and they check the paint and cause headaches

 

[Huelague]

Then repaint comes and they check the paint and cause headaches

These things can be happen.

 

[B_A]

Are simsek's statements actually true?
Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir's F-35 remarks are on the agenda once again:

— The F-35 maintenance and repair center was going to be established in Turkey. They suddenly brought a condition: You will make a special section in the facility, it will be caged and locked. We will put an American there. You will not touch the core of the engine, the personnel we will put it in will bring it to you.

— Then they said: You will not touch the trash of radar absorbing paint, we will take it to America. You will not even look at the trash.

Buying the F-35 is not the issue, the real problem is the dependency it will create on you.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854883042571305466

If we are American we should do the same.

Why should we(American) give technology secret to Japanese or Turks?

 

[B_A]

Well if you accept that then you will accept more things when they force you to .

Everyone is stand on his own righ/position.

As a seller i hope sell products much more expensive but as a buyer i hope buy the product much cheaper.

This is not something we should accept for if we understand the reasons.