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Can anyone shed some light on how F35 and F22 do not show on radar when they open their IWB doors, if actually they don't show on radars. And can Kaan not do the same trick.
There is no trick, when the IWB doors open they of course disturb the planes profile, they guy was once again speaking nonsense. And it doesn't take a "salise" either. You can easily find videos if you just googled F-35 / F-22 firing a missile.

Here is the link to first video for F-35:


And here is one F-22 firing missiles, launching flares and even firing its gatling:

 

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If IWB doors opens, it can be seen on Radar right. The “TV Expert” said, the AI on KAAN knows, where the radar beams come from (angle) and turn the plane to become less visible. Is that correct?
What’s happen, when the plane turn his ‘back’ to the radar beams, during he opens his IWB doors ? Can the radar detect the open doors?

The IWB became an issue after the Yugoslavia war and the shot down of a F-117. We can just speculate, but after this accident, we can imagine they improved the whole system.
 
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If IWB doors opens, it can be seen on Radar right. The “TV Expert” said, the AI on KAAN knows, where the radar beams come from (angle) and turn the plane to become less visible. Is that correct?
What’s happen, when the plane turn his ‘back’ to the radar beams, during he opens his IWB doors ? Can the radar detect the open doors?

The IWB became an issue after the Yugoslavia war and the shot down of a F-117. We can just speculate, but after this accident, we can imagine they improved the whole system.
Don't modern AESAs pulse really fast? If there is a continous radar wave coming in, it doesn't matter if it turns or not, the opposing side is going to get some information out of it the moment it opens.

That F-117 fell because of mission planning and flying the exact same route a billion times. And also, stealth isn't completely invisibility, just reduced sight. An F-35 probably can't go right up an S-400's ass, IWB closed or not.
 

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If I may,
However there is a merit to doing this task in a very short time and race is on to achieve the lowest time.
I think everyone would agree with this.

Problem with shortening that timeframe is down to very fast and powerful actuators needing to be heavy to handle that kind of load, and this all being on an aircraft going 500kmh, hence it needing to be as light as possible. Same with the door itself.

Actual reason people disagree and lambast the guy on the tv is because it's not physically possible to complete the action of opening door, extending and releasing the missile and closing the door under a second. Saying "a shorter timeframe to complete this action is advantageous" is very different than saying it can be done in miliseconds. And by that effect, if someone is very certain on something this clear and basic(that this action can't be done in miliseconds), it's very possible that the person in question with a stick in his hand have also misunderstood other things that were told to him by the engineers during his trip, and he's an unreliable source at best and we shouldn't put much thought into his words and claims on tv.
 

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Dear members as mentioned here before,
fake news is no news.
this is a respectable forum.
Let us discuss more credible issues.

All unnecessary posts that are Related to “fake and no basis” news have been erased.
 

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If IWB doors opens, it can be seen on Radar right.
Yes.
The “TV Expert” said, the AI on KAAN knows, where the radar beams come from (angle) and turn the plane to become less visible. Is that correct?
It even isn't an AI task.
All modern fighter jets do know when and where they get "marked" with a radar on the merit of their advanced RWR systems.
Rafale's RWR can guide a bomb to said radar's location(that's how they got one of our Hawk batteries in Libya AFAIK.) and EF2K's RWR can provide guidance data to plane's own Fox-2's in order to intercept A2A missiles coming for the jet.
Chinese J-20's can also adjust the angle of its canard's to maintain radar stealth, allegedly.
What’s happen, when the plane turn his ‘back’ to the radar beams, during he opens his IWB doors ? Can the radar detect the open doors?
For air-to-ground scenarios, you need to turn the plane upside down to make the plane "turn his back to the radar beams." you ain't dropping bombs in that scenario.
In air-to-air scenarios, it doesn't matter that much anyway.
 

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It even isn't an AI task.
All modern fighter jets do know when and where they get "marked" with a radar on the merit of their advanced RWR systems.
Yes, they know when they get marked, but doesn’t know how to move or turn the plane to get less visible in the best angle.
 

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Yes, they know when they get marked, but doesn’t know how to move or turn the plane to get less visible in the best angle.
As I said above, J-20 (allegedly) adjusts its canard angles accordingly.
Also, F-35's do analyze the radar signal on-the-fly and show the range, bearing and type of the radar to the pilot. Not unlike the radar screens in video games. But since it is a MANNED plane, the final decision in in the pilot's hands.
Kaan would be able to do the stuff the F-35 and Eurocanards can do, as described above.
But an automatic avoidance system like you describe is probably will be in Kızılelma.

Video on the F-35's radar thingy:
 

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