TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Sanchez]

Do we think the rear-end design of the Kaan will change, or is it final after the critical design review finishes?

Rafale started with 2 F404 engines then later switched to 2 M88 Engines, as you can see the rear tail has changed.

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Going from F110 to TF35000?

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It's possible to expect changes to the production model or even future prototypes but we do not yet know what will TF35000's dimensions be.

 

[Hannibal]

It's possible to expect changes to the production model or even future prototypes but we do not yet know what will TF35000's dimensions be.

If they change the design/structure will it be more difficult to upgrade from older Blocks to more modern blocks with TF35000 in the future?

- New engine would have to be very similar in dimensions to F110?

 

[Sanchez]

If they change the design/structure will it be more difficult to upgrade from older Blocks to more modern blocks with TF35000 in the future?

- New engine would have to be very similar in dimensions to F110?

Probably, but we don't have the data to support that at hand. That's not necessarily a bad thing for the program. More hulls, more production, longer lifecycle for the program. More money as well of course.

 

[TheInsider]

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From SAHA EXPO 2024
I think they have changed design of Kaan, can anyone confirm this, look at the tail end?

The new prototype of KAAN will be slightly shorter and have a smaller nose (because the radar turned out much smaller than planned). The nose is designed to be bigger to be on the safe side but MURAD-100A is now a fully working prototype and TAI knows the exact dimensions of MURAD-600A it is not a guessing game anymore.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

the canopy-radome line looks smoothed out and the "pelican" look is gone.

 

[TheInsider]

Look at the vertical stabilizer/rudder??
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Don't take this model as a reference point. Look at air inlets. There is no way to change air inlets at this point in development.

 

[uçuyorum]

Don't take this model as a reference point. Look at air inlets. There is no way to change air inlets at this point in development.

Is that a new model even

 

[Radko]

The new prototype of KAAN will be slightly shorter and have a smaller nose (because the radar turned out much smaller than planned). The nose is designed to be bigger to be on the safe side but MURAD-100A is now a fully working prototype and TAI knows the exact dimensions of MURAD-600A it is not a guessing game anymore.

Tbh not really good if 600A is smaller than it's counterparts

 

[Afif]

Tbh not really good if 600A is smaller than it's counterparts.

Yeah, I think he meant a bit smaller than planned. (Current nose cone is humongous.) Much smaller sounds unrealistic. Should still have around 2000 T/R modules.

 

[TheInsider]

Tbh not really good if 600A is smaller than it's counterparts

Aselsan can produce high-performance T/R modules smaller than the first expectations (Aselsan achieved state-of-the-art miniaturization) so radar dimensions are also smaller. This is due to Aselsan's success, it is not about cutting corners or developing a smaller radar.

It adds up because radar covers an area lets say you have 10cmx10cm modules, a thousand of them covers 10 square meters. If you manage to manufacture the same module 8x8 the same radar covers 6.4 square meters.

 

[Quasar]

Aselsan can produce high-performance T/R modules smaller than the first expectations (Aselsan achieved state-of-the-art miniaturization) so radar dimensions are also smaller. This is due to Aselsan's success, it is not about cutting corners or developing a smaller radar.

It adds up because radar covers an area lets say you have 10cmx10cm modules, a thousand of them covers 10 square meters. If you manage to manufacture the same module 8x8 the same radar covers 6.4 square meters.

Very true I guess we should have come to a certain point in miniaturization that we start having AESA seeker head for a QUADPACK missile

 

[Spitfire9]

Tbh not really good if 600A is smaller than it's counterparts

If it is smaller than its counterparts, why? I imagine that more T/R modules would increase performance. I guess, though, that a smaller nose improves the aerodynamics and a 'sweet spot' exists between radar performance and aerodynamic performance.

 

[RMZN]

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From SAHA EXPO 2024
I think they have changed design of Kaan, can anyone confirm this, look at the tail end?

Looks exactly like the old mock up design

 

[Sanchez]

Looks exactly like the old mock up design

Yup. They probably still use old models, including the mockup. Doesn't mean anything, we know TAI is usually hit&miss when it comes to models and mockups and they shouldn't be taken as gospel.

 

[hugh]

Yup. They probably still use old models, including the mockup. Doesn't mean anything, we know TAI is usually hit&miss when it comes to models and mockups and they shouldn't be taken as gospel.

Could the lack of a new mockup indicate the design fluidity of KAAN? Maybe they don't see value in making new mockups when the final design is not set yet.

 

[Huelague]

the canopy-radome line looks smoothed out and the "pelican" look is gone.

That was mentioned before by T. Kotil.

 

[Strong AI]

National Combat Aircraft KAAN’s Domestic Cybersecurity Shield

The cybersecurity of the National Combat Aircraft KAAN is also being developed by Turkish engineers.

STM General Manager Özgür Güleryüz stated, “As STM, we are actively working on KAAN’s cybersecurity. One must not forget that both fighter jets and warships are increasingly being equipped with electronic systems. If you are not certain about cybersecurity in these electronic systems, there is always the possibility of an open door.”

Güleryüz provided information about cybersecurity efforts, saying, “In every statement, we emphasize that cybersecurity is essential. It is crucial to take a holistic approach to defense. Today, technology permeates our lives significantly. While technology simplifies our work, it also exposes us to new threats. In this sense, if adequate cybersecurity measures are not taken for every type of sensor and communication device, they can actually pose new threats to us. Therefore, as STM, we strive to develop products and solutions for cybersecurity, particularly in the defense industry, such as the establishment of cybersecurity centers for the Turkish Armed Forces and data centers for our security. At the same time, we aim to inform the public. Cybersecurity is important today and will gain even more significance in the future. We are working to integrate cybersecurity into our developed platforms and systems. We need to be aware that cybersecurity is a part of our lives and remain vigilant. We emphasize that local solutions should be implemented in every aspect.”

As one of the leading firms in the Turkish defense industry, STM draws attention with its cybersecurity efforts. Actively working in the field, STM plays critical roles in the platform cybersecurity of weapon systems. STM provides cybersecurity support for KAAN and collaborates with TUSAŞ to equip the National Combat Aircraft with domestic cybersecurity systems.

“WE ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN KAAN”

Güleryüz mentioned their work on the KAAN project, stating, “As STM, we are very actively involved in KAAN’s cybersecurity. It’s important to remember that weapon systems on platforms, whether fighter jets or warships, are increasingly equipped with electronic systems. If you are not confident in cybersecurity for these electronic systems, there is always a chance of an open door. Thus, the cybersecurity of platforms is extremely important. We are actively involved in projects, including the KAAN project. In the project, there are both STM and other companies with expertise in cybersecurity. We must consider cybersecurity from the early design stages in a very coordinated manner with TUSAŞ and other specialized firms to ensure that our designs are made accordingly, as it will not be easy to address certain issues later on. Therefore, we have been working very actively in coordination with TUSAŞ and other expert firms since the beginning of the project.”

Milli muharip uçak KAAN'a yerli siber güvenlik kalkanı

Haber 7 - Milli Muharip Uçak KAAN'nın platform siber güvenliği de Türk mühendislerince geliştiriliyor.

www.haber7.com

 

[Quasar]

Touch screen developed by STG for Turkey's 5th generation fighter jet KAAN. Unlike the F-35 screen, the design does not reflect. The current design, which was tested on KAAN's first prototype and received feedback, was exhibited at SAHA EXPO. - Avionout

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850539913919254608

 

[Afif]

Should KAAN be able to do that? 'Cause main air bases are vulnerable. Even with AMD bubble.

 

[TR_123456]

Should KAAN be able to do that? 'Cause main air bases are vulnerable. Even with AMD bubble.

It has to.