TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[hugh]

The GTU-0 titanium bulkheads were not produced with the giant 5x7m 3D printhead, probably the components in the photos of P1/P2 are making the structural leap forward.

I remember an interview with a senior project manager in the hangar where he mentioned a 3 ton weight reduction from P1.

I still can't believe we're 3d printing the titanium bulkheads. God knows how long does it take one machine to produce(print) a single bulkhead. It saves weight for sure but how scalable is it and what happens if the US stops supplying parts for them?

 

[Nutuk]

I still can't believe we're 3d printing the titanium bulkheads. God knows how long does it take one machine to produce(print) a single bulkhead. It saves weight for sure but how scalable is it and what happens if the US stops supplying parts for them?

Well TAI uses 3D printing just because the US is not selling the press for such titanium bulkheads, To speed up production several printers have to be acquired

 

[BordoEnes]

Well TAI uses 3D printing just because the US is not selling the press for such titanium bulkheads, To speed up production several printers have to be acquired

Are these 3D Printing machines domestic or foreign?

 

[KAAN]

Ordered from US-based Sciaky. The world's largest metal electron beam 3D printer.

Dünyanın En Büyük 3D Yazıcısı TUSAŞ Yolcusu

Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii (TUSAŞ), MMU Projesi için Dünyanın en büyük Metal Elektron Işınlı 3 Boyutlu (3D) Yazıcısı'nı tedarik etti.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[BordoEnes]

Ordered from US-based Sciaky. The world's largest metal electron beam 3D printer.

Dünyanın En Büyük 3D Yazıcısı TUSAŞ Yolcusu

Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii (TUSAŞ), MMU Projesi için Dünyanın en büyük Metal Elektron Işınlı 3 Boyutlu (3D) Yazıcısı'nı tedarik etti.

www.savunmasanayist.com

This is side of the defence industry is overlooked quite often imo. I read some reports and articles about how the Russian defence industry for example is entirely based around the import and usage of foreign machines(mainly German and French), since they lost the capabilities and capacity during the fall of the soviet union. Honestly also seems like a very important place to invest into if we want more domestic input. This seems like a massive oversight, especially since all of these can be applied to both civilian and military markets.

 

[hugh]

This is side of the defence industry is overlooked quite often imo. I read some reports and articles about how the Russian defence industry for example is entirely based around the import and usage of foreign machines(mainly German and French), since they lost the capabilities and capacity during the fall of the soviet union. Honestly also seems like a very important place to invest into if we want more domestic input. This seems like a massive oversight, especially since all of these can be applied to both civilian and military markets.

If we have $6 billions to spend on a launch site in Somalia, then we should have some money to invest in a 60k tons hydraulic press, as well. We could press bulkheads, landing gears, turbine engine compressors(for TEI) etc. It's a vital necessity for an advance aero-space industry.

Heavy Press Program - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[BaburKhan]

Saudi Arabia considers ordering 100 units of KAAN jets from Türkiye - Straturka

Türkiye and Saudi Arabia continue to boost their defense cooperation. After ordering and undisclosed number of Bayraktar drones and agreeing to produce them with Türkiye’s Baykar Tech, Riyadh hints that it may order 100 units of KAAN jets. Haluk Görgün, President of Turkish Defence Industries...

www.straturka.com

 

[2033]

Saudi Arabia considers ordering 100 units of KAAN jets from Türkiye - Straturka

Türkiye and Saudi Arabia continue to boost their defense cooperation. After ordering and undisclosed number of Bayraktar drones and agreeing to produce them with Türkiye’s Baykar Tech, Riyadh hints that it may order 100 units of KAAN jets. Haluk Görgün, President of Turkish Defence Industries...

www.straturka.com

Here is the first source:

Ankara-Riyad hattında KAAN etkisi

Türkiye’den Akıncı TİHA satın alan Suudi Arabistan’ın 5. nesil milli muharip uçak KAAN’a ilgisinin ardından iki ülke arasında savunma sanayiinde kapsamlı iş birliği için görüşmelere başlandı.

www.milliyet.com.tr

The news is still just rumors.

 

[Sanchez]

Saudi cooperation would be huge. Shouldn't get stuck in rumors tho, might be just a play to make the Japanese change their minds re Saudi entrance into GCAP.

 

[hugh]

Saudi cooperation would be huge. Shouldn't get stuck in rumors tho, might be just a play to make the Japanese change their minds re Saudi entrance into GCAP.

If they have an ounce of brain, they should support KAAN's development with everything they have. Especially the development of TF35K. Arab world does not realize this yet but if they want to stand a chance against Israel in the future, they have to invest in Turkish MIC. We could give them benefits like local production and some ToT. It's win-win.

 

[Shtr]

If they have an ounce of brain, they should support KAAN's development with everything they have. Especially the development of TF35K. Arab world does not realize this yet but if they want to stand a chance against Israel in the future, they have to invest in Turkish MIC. We could give them benefits like local production and some ToT. It's win-win.

They must be prepared to be not future's Africa. Apart from their natural resources they have nothing. Having a strong muslim friend for them is priceless. They are already moving fast forward to be a secular country but they need a long way to complete it.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

 

[Oublious]

Saudi cooperation would be huge. Shouldn't get stuck in rumors tho, might be just a play to make the Japanese change their minds re Saudi entrance into GCAP.

Nope they will not, why would they let them in? Like they are poor countries need the money of KSA? If they come to Kaan should give the same treatment like Western world do, the first offer is gone. No partner but customer making some parts. They throw bone and did let them wait and now they are still asking.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1867562869857919407

 

[Sanchez]

why would they let them in?

Because British are hemorrhaging money and they need all the dollars they can find to fund their main defence program of the next 3 decades. They are still actively campaigning to let Saudis in in some form or another, Italians are similar.

I think if they saw the light and wanted to get Kaans, we would do all in our power excluding transferring IP rights to get them on board. Saudis are a good customer and still an important partner for us in the region. Not because they will start a war against Israel, but because it's much better than fighting for influence when we can partner up in defence. I would in no circumstance want, say Emiratis joining Kaan, they are a veiled enemy, but Saudis are good.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Here is savunmasanayist’s take on it:

Suudi Arabistan'dan 100 adet KAAN hedefi | SavunmaSanayiST

Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Haluk Görgün, Suudi Arabistan heyetiyle KAAN gibi büyük projelerde iş birliği için, İstanbul’da 3 gün sürecek görüşmelere başladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

If Saudi military would go for KAAN, it would make life much easier for us. But we need to be cautious about it. Degree of involvement and how much say they want, is important.

 

[BordoEnes]

This would be huge, getting Arab countries behind it would eleviate the biggest problem the program can face and that be over-budgeting and inflating costs. Practically every program always goes above the targeted costs, if they support the program that would create a safety net. Not only that but I am hoping the UAE also eventually makes up their mind and joins. They desperately wanted the F-35, only to get denied it and being forced to purchase Rafale's. If those two alone back the KAAN, we would be potentially even talk about going beyond 5th gen eventually in the short-medium term future.

 

[dBSPL]

The main combatant jet, along with perhaps one or two other systems, is the most foreign policy/relations dependent of all a country's defense needs. It is not enough just to pay for it, the conditions that come with it have to be compatible with the interests of the country.

So I hope for some progress in the near future in aligning KSA's interests with TR and providing a common perspective. There are no insurmountable points of disagreement between KSA and TR at the moment. As for the UAE, a complex set of problems starting from Syria and even extending to Sudan, Libya and Somalia is an important political barrier. There are still deep divisions in our hinterland and in our shared spheres of influence, some of which are really difficult to manage and therefore have the potential to escalate quickly.

 

[BordoEnes]

The main combatant jet, along with perhaps one or two other systems, is the most foreign policy/relations dependent of all a country's defense needs. It is not enough just to pay for it, the conditions that come with it have to be compatible with the interests of the country.

So I hope for some progress in the near future in aligning KSA's interests with TR and providing a common perspective. There are no insurmountable points of disagreement between KSA and TR at the moment. As for the UAE, a complex set of problems starting from Syria and even extending to Sudan, Libya and Somalia is an important political barrier. There are still deep divisions in our hinterland and in our shared spheres of influence, some of which are really difficult to manage and therefore have the potential to escalate quickly.

Oh most certainly, but if the UAE was willingly to sign the Abraham accords with Israel to get their hands on the F-35's then it means they are willing to make serious concessions to get their hands on fifth gen jets. There are avenues wherein some sort of financing agreement can be made in similar fashion to the JSF level of partipaction. Contribution on their part will be limited but they will be the first in line to get them, with some strings attached ofcourse. Actually seems like an extremely good bargaining chip for leverage in all aspects, be it economical, diplomatic and militarily. Seeing commong perspectives and realigning interests is almost a given imo.

 

[Oublious]

I am not warm, i do not forget things fast. Sending fighters to Crete . Lets give Ksa doubt, but UAE? They are axis off evil, they are the country who bombed Turkish airbas in Libya.

 

[Blackeyes90]

What about export models ? Radar and EW systems must be diffirent than our own planes right ?