TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

If Saudi Arabia buys 100 KAAN then at least Block 0,1 and 2 will be financed.
The only question is whether they want to buy Block 0-1 or only Block 2 with Turkish Engines.
Block 0-1 will be equipped with F-110 129, the USA could block it in order not to prevent their own export possibilities.

US would not block a deal to the most important weapon importer.

 

[Huelague]

The backside of Kaan is more or less flatt. The backside of F-35 fuselage is curved. Why? Which one is more affected by radar waves?

 

[KAAN]

Even if we compare it with the most advanced software available today, the major design updates in the P1 mean that it cannot serve as a strong indicator. Additionally, whether it serves as an indicator or not would yield similar results even if the upper-rear fuselage were identical—which means it’s not a reliable indicator either. As humans, we categorize parts of an aircraft based on specific geometric sections, but this approach doesn’t work the same way in the electromagnetic spectrum. We need to consider the platform as a whole; analyzing just a part of the aircraft won’t lead to accurate conclusions.

As I mentioned, it’s still too early to make RCS estimations for the entire design. As far as we know, the ultimate goal is achieving RCS values close to the F-35. Those who set this target are the ones calculating how the entire aircraft will affect the electromagnetic signature, especially in relation to the upper-rear fuselage design.

 

[Turkic]

There are "rumors" about plans to establish a production lane in Pakistan for Kaan.

I'm not leaving any links because I don't know who is the source to this rumor.

 

[2033]

There are "rumors" about plans to establish a production lane in Pakistan for Kaan.

I'm not leaving any links because I don't know who is the source to this rumor.

Having a strong ally in the defense industry is always beneficial. Pakistan is a perfect fit in this regard. In times of a potential war, it can serve as a backup to ensure the supply chain remains uninterrupted. Their support could be particularly valuable in critical times, especially regarding ammunition and spare parts."

 

[boredaf]

There are "rumors" about plans to establish a production lane in Pakistan for Kaan.

I'm not leaving any links because I don't know who is the source to this rumor.

Why not open one in China then?

 

[2033]

Why not open one in China then?

Do you expect betrayal from Pakistan?

 

[boredaf]

Do you expect betrayal from Pakistan?

If China asks to see Kaan production or classified information they are not going to say no while being dependent on them. So, yes I do. There is no sentimentality in relationships between countries.

 

[Agha Sher]

If China asks to see Kaan production or classified information they are not going to say no while being dependent on them. So, yes I do. There is no sentimentality in relationships between countries.

Pakistan is corrupt to the core. Only non-critical/sensitive parts should be produced there.

 

[CAN_TR]

I'm totally against involving other countries in the KAAN project, only customers should be given the opportunity to produce non critical parts or assembly their ordered aircrafts.


Don't understand why some Turkish people are so eager to give away technology especially such sensitive to everyone they sympathize with.

Pakistanis may be friendly towards Türkiye, but their Goverment can't be trusted. We support their claims in Kashmir, they support China against the Uyghurs, we send them aid for the catastrophic flood in 2022, they repackage our aid and send it back for the earthquake victims, once a year military exercise, jive jive and zindabad blabla doesn't mean anything.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Don't understand why some Turkish people are so eager to give away technology especially such sensitive to everyone they sympathize with.

Because those idiots can't get their emotions under control. In this business, you need to have the fucking mentality of a Terminator. Cold asf and the only thing that matters is the progress of your Country.

 

[Scott Summers]

Not a good idea. I dont even trust that Aliyev-clown from Azerbaijan, let alone Pakistan.

If we setup a production line of KAAN in Azerbaijan, and Russia or Israel ask to see how it works, no way Aliyev is gonna forbid it.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Not a good idea. I dont even trust that Aliyev-clown from Azerbaijan, let alone Pakistan.

If we setup a production line of KAAN in Azerbaijan, and Russia or Israel ask to see how it works, no way Aliyev is gonna forbid it.

KAAN must stay in Türkiye and nowhere else. Selling a less performing KAAN, yes. Teaching others, no.

 

[Huelague]

Why not open one in China then?

It goes same logic, as to say for western countries, don’t open a supply chain in Türkiye, because its a Muslim country and doesn’t reliably.

 

[I_Love_F16]

It goes same logic, as to say for western countries, don’t open a supply chain in Türkiye, because its a Muslim country and doesn’t reliably.

What did they give of critical importance to Turkiye ? No country in the world will give you their critical tech, and Turkiye will and should do the same. I call absolute BS for those supposed rumors. I hope so, otherwise Kaan is doomed.

 

[Turkic]

It's already obvious that critical techs will be produced in Turkiye. For example, there's no need to establish a second production lane for Bufris anywhere. One production lane would be enough. But Pakistan will most likely be a customer to Kaan and I don't see a problem to let them bring it into one piece in Pakistan. Just like how we built F-16's in Turkiye. It would help to increase the production rate if no bottleneck prevents it. It would take so long to build Kaan's for every buyer if production rate is 2 per month. TurAF needs a lot, Azerbaijan needs a high tech fighter, Pakistan needs to replace it's F-16 fleet and countries who couldn't get F-35's are gonna want it too. 2 per month is not enough to get our allies ready for a near future war (if happens).

Imo, we will see another production lane in a customer country. Pakistan or else.

 

[Huelague]

No country in the world will give you their critical tech

Exactly!

 

[Afif]

If China asks to see Kaan production or classified information they are not going to say no while being dependent on them. So, yes I do. There is no sentimentality in relationships between countries.

Well, this debate can finally be put to rest now as they are officially going for J35A.

I don't see them getting KAAN separately anymore as it won't add anything substantial over J35A. But more importantly, they can't realistically afford two 5th gen fighters.

And it make sense. They will keep newly procured J10C and JF17C in service for a long time. J35A can be networked and integrated with them. Which is key to a joint CONOP. Not realistic with KAAN. Their whole IADS is also Chinese system based.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

IMO KAAN parters will be:

Top Tier: Azerbaijan, Hungary, possibly Kazakhstan depending on Russian influence 5 years from now. These countries can both afford and contribute to the program.

Second Tier: Uzbekistan, Qatar, depending on economic situation maybe Kyrgyzstan and Türkmenistan.

Third Tier: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, possibly some Muslim nations in Asia. In my opinion we don't have full trust in these countries. Saudi Arabia for example may go ahead and buy 100 KAAN, but I doubt we'd want any major production lines there.

I doubt Pakistan will buy KAAN, China has them covered.

 

[Turkic]

Well, this debate can finally be put to rest now as they are officially going for J35A.

I don't see them getting KAAN separately anymore as it won't add anything substantial over J35A. But more importantly, they can't realistically afford two 5th gen fighters.

And it make sense. They will keep newly procured J10C and JF17C in service for a long time. J35A can be networked and integrated with them. Which is key to a joint CONOP. Not realistic with KAAN. Their whole IADS is also Chinese system based.

J-35 for Pakistan is more likely a gap filler. 40 fighters are nothing for PAF, espacially after the last incidents. They're extending their inventory. Kaan was part of talks with Pakistan for years now. We hear things about purchase plans every single year, even from officials. The aqcuirement will get clear in the next years. Ik that this is an economical hell for Pakistan but they're not minding it since the last incidents.

(Edit) Side note: Since Pakistan and the US relations are at historical worst, Pakistan should wait for our indigenious engine. Unless we integrate WS10/15 or Al-41/51 on Kaan.