TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Spitfire9]

Trump is creating big problems for North America by failing to honour the free trade agreement and for the Europeans by betraying Ukraine. threatening to occupy Greenland etc.

Perhaps due to the new US attitude of seeing other countries (including partners) as targets for exploitation, RR will be more interested in long term involvement with Turkiye.

On the topic of Eurofighter, I think that the UK assembly line has no more aircraft to assemble. I hope that the UK government will order more after the defence review is published later this year. As far as I know the US can severely hinder UK use of its F-35's but it cannot do that to UK Eurofighters so I hope that more will be ordered. The UK's early Tranche1 aircraft are due for retirement this year or next. Additionally, the skilled workforce used for Eurofighter assembly needs something to do until needed for GCAP.

 

[Huelague]

Would make sense eurofighter and Rafael production lines would to slow to handle the demand if European nations would switch it would take years and I doubt that anyone in Europe except maybe ukraine or Hungary would buy kaan

Spain and maybe Italy.

 

[Saithan]

5.gen jets are not that widespread that they'll be a problem. the workhorse is still 4th-4.5gen. Spitting out country names that are buying 5th gen isn't going to make a difference.

who here thinks Algeria is going to be a problem for Europe ? None. China is too far away and in case they start selling 5th gen to Russia (I doubt they will) it's not going to be a problem for Europe. And Pakistan, well, still not going to be a problem for Europe anyway you look at it.

Besides no one has had 5th gen flying in warzone with proper AD yet, so I doubt we'll truly see if it lives up to expectation of will fall like flies.

 

[Huelague]

5.gen jets are not that widespread that they'll be a problem. the workhorse is still 4th-4.5gen. Spitting out country names that are buying 5th gen isn't going to make a difference.

who here thinks Algeria is going to be a problem for Europe ? None. China is too far away and in case they start selling 5th gen to Russia (I doubt they will) it's not going to be a problem for Europe. And Pakistan, well, still not going to be a problem for Europe anyway you look at it.

Besides no one has had 5th gen flying in warzone with proper AD yet, so I doubt we'll truly see if it lives up to expectation of will fall like flies.

War doctrine has changed, from massive destructions by “work horses “ like F-16, to more accurate and pinpoint attacks by F-35. Doesn’t mean 4.Gen jets are obsolete, but not that important as in the past.

 

[uçuyorum]

5.gen jets are not that widespread that they'll be a problem. the workhorse is still 4th-4.5gen. Spitting out country names that are buying 5th gen isn't going to make a difference.

who here thinks Algeria is going to be a problem for Europe ? None. China is too far away and in case they start selling 5th gen to Russia (I doubt they will) it's not going to be a problem for Europe. And Pakistan, well, still not going to be a problem for Europe anyway you look at it.

Besides no one has had 5th gen flying in warzone with proper AD yet, so I doubt we'll truly see if it lives up to expectation of will fall like flies.

Those are just the first customers, if many others decide to buy jets from china or russia, it will become a problem.

 

[Turkic]

War doctrine has changed, from massive destructions by “work horses “ like F-16, to more accurate and pinpoint attacks by F-35. Doesn’t mean 4.Gen jets are obsolete, but not that important as in the past.

Did F-35I's stop Israel from doing mass destruction ? I don't think so. Neither did Russia's SU-57's. Mass destruction weapons will always be used. I got your point anyways.

 

[Sanchez]

Funny enough the country that would benefit most from KAAN in eu could be France

Maybe if we shared the IP with them. They are not interested in a system if it's not French. It's a good thinking to have as much as possible.

 

[Huelague]

Did F-35I's stop Israel from doing mass destruction ? I don't think so. Neither did Russia's SU-57's. Mass destruction weapons will always be used. I got your point anyways.

Can F-35 carrying nuklear weapons? Yes, they can. I don’t deny that. And this was never my point. Read carefully.

 

[Turkic]

Can F-35 carrying nuklear weapons? Yes, they can. I don’t deny that. And this was never my point. Read carefully.

I didn't say it was your point. I gave an opposit idea of mine to 'a part' of your post and than I said I got your point 'anyways' to show that I am not disagreeing with all your thoughts on the post but a part of it.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903042607917437210

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903042607917437210

BS news popin up, ther is 1 prototype and people are posting stupid news like that.

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903042607917437210

Highly likely fake news
KAAN is still in experimental stages with only one functional prototype
How on earth will you sell such a jet?
Any deal should only be made when the first batch of KAANs are rolled out

 

[Turkic]

Highly likely fake news
KAAN is still in experimental stages with only one functional prototype
How on earth will you sell such a jet?
Any deal should only be made when the first batch of KAANs are rolled out

Who will they get 5/6th gen jets from ? Chinese jets won't protect them forever because they are allies only because of India. What if China builds good relationships with India ? There's no single country other than Turkiye and China to sell them those jets and we're their historical ally. Don't forget they have 2 allies in total. Kaan is the optimal choice for them even if it doesn't appear as good as it should.

 

[hugh]

Who will they get 5/6th gen jets from ? Chinese jets won't protect them forever because they are allies only because of India. What if China builds good relationships with India ? There's no single country other than Turkiye and China to sell them those jets and we're their historical ally. Don't forget they have 2 allies in total. Kaan is the optimal choice for them even if it doesn't appear as good as it should.

If China can build good relations with India, Turkey can do as well. Besides, however imperfect it is, we're still a democracy. A different political party could throw Pakistan under the bus. Plus our engine situation, we might not be as reliable of an ally you think we are.

 

[Turkic]

If China can build good relations with India, Turkey can do as well. Besides, however imperfect it is, we're still a democracy. A different political party could throw Pakistan under the bus. Plus our engine situation, we might not be as reliable of an ally you think we are.

I don't think hundred year alliences can be put away that easy.

I don't really know to be honest, did we ever have bad relationships with Pakistan since the Republic was found ? I mean both countries have been ruled by parties with very different opinions in the last 102 years. We were allies before the foundation of the republic tho. But I don't remember bad days between the two.

I always put so much belief in secret agreements. Those agreements are why the US can never turn back on Israel. Diaspora ? Dude US population's almost 50% is built of German/British/Irish people. Idc about 7 million jews there.

I think the same for us and Pakistan too. Current government of Pakistan was not who our government wished for and they move in the way our government don't like (conflicts with Afghanistan for example). But did we spit a single word to them ? Did the cooperation between the two countries slow down any ?

This allience has most likely been guarranteed by secret agreements decades ago and it's surpassing democracy.

All are just ideas. Not claiming anything.

 

[Sanchez]

A different political party could throw Pakistan under the bus.

Doubtful. One constant of Turkish foreign policy since 1947 is good relations with Pakistan regardless of governments in charge.

Current government of Pakistan was not who our government wished for

Not really, they were pretty on the fence.

Chinese jets won't protect them forever because they are allies only because of India

China won't stop supplying Pakistan regardless of their future relations with India. Pakistan however will no doubt will be a Kaan user in the future.

 

[TR_123456]

Some of you seem to forget that Pakistan is our only real ally.
It doesnt matter what government is in power Pakistan will always stand with Türkiye because of its people.
If we need pilots,they will send.
If we need soldiers,they will send.
If we need nukes,they will provide.

So,if they want the KAAN they will get the KAAN.

 

[hugh]

Doubtful. One constant of Turkish foreign policy since 1947 is good relations with Pakistan regardless of governments in charge.

I guess it depends a bit on what Pakistan deem as good relations. Would they view it as betrayal if were to build good relations with India?
What if China demanded them to do something that goes directly against our interests and threatened them with economic sanctions if they didn't comply?

There has to be a line somewhere since these nations consist of different nationalities, histories and different geopolitical circumstances.

 

[what]

Some of you seem to forget that Pakistan is our only real ally.
It doesnt matter what government is in power Pakistan will always stand with Türkiye because of its people.
If we need pilots,they will send.
If we need soldiers,they will send.
If we need nukes,they will provide.

So,if they want the KAAN they will get the KAAN.

Yes, but I dont see how they can finance it.

 

[TR_123456]

Yes, but I dont see how they can finance it.

I'm sure they(both countries) will find a way.