yes, it's extremely ambitious and almost certainly won't happen. if a "simple" hürjet with no mission capabilities take 3 years from ff to deliveries, KAAN has no chance to be delivered in 2028. they will adjust the calendar this year or the next year, imo.
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To be completely honest I've been out of the loop with KAAN for some time, busy with work, but also frustrated with our government in Türkiye which has really taken the taste out of recent defence industry accomplishments.
But the recent decline in relations between the US and European nations makes me wonder if we could see more cooperation on the KAAN project. If I remember correctly, we're using GE engines for prototypes, then transitioning to indigenous engines once they're ready. We know that in the early stages of the project, British Aerospace assisted, along with using Dassault digital twin software. I wonder if Rolls Royce could enter the program again, perhaps not to replace our indigenous engine program, but assist in speeding it up and perhaps even supplying its own engines for European buyers of KAAN. Would be the biggest finger up to the US.
Imagine nations all the way from western Europe to Central Asia and beyond being armed with KAAN jets. US hegemony would end, Russia and China would be spooked. Time for the small fish to unite.
For this to happen, EU needs to stop treating Turkey like it does, but simultaneously we need to fix our own problems. EU and Turkey may hate each other, but for the next 30 years they will need eachother.
But the recent decline in relations between the US and European nations makes me wonder if we could see more cooperation on the KAAN project. If I remember correctly, we're using GE engines for prototypes, then transitioning to indigenous engines once they're ready. We know that in the early stages of the project, British Aerospace assisted, along with using Dassault digital twin software. I wonder if Rolls Royce could enter the program again, perhaps not to replace our indigenous engine program, but assist in speeding it up and perhaps even supplying its own engines for European buyers of KAAN. Would be the biggest finger up to the US.
Imagine nations all the way from western Europe to Central Asia and beyond being armed with KAAN jets. US hegemony would end, Russia and China would be spooked. Time for the small fish to unite.
For this to happen, EU needs to stop treating Turkey like it does, but simultaneously we need to fix our own problems. EU and Turkey may hate each other, but for the next 30 years they will need eachother.
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Problem is RR doesn't have any suitable ready made engine to offer for KAAN. They originally wanted to develop something based on Pearl for KAAN with Kale JV.
As for the one they are developing for Tempset, I don't think they will offer it for KAAN.
Though technical assistance to speed up Turkey's own engine program sound realistic.
US hegemony is unlikely to end like this. Small European countries have already chosen F35 in masses to replace their 4th gen fleet. By the time KAAN will be available I suspect there will be more F35 operators in Europe. KAAN doesn't offer generational leap over F35 to justify new purchases unless you have extra money. F35's biggest advantage today right now is full interoperability within NATO and with USAF. As long as NATO is relevant I see F35 being the mainstay of Small European countries. Still KAAN may have market in Europe. At this point it is too early to say IMO.
Funny enough the country that would benefit most from KAAN in eu could be France. Being probably the largest force in EU its the one that wont have a stealth fighter for next 15 years. Also spain could be, but they will need F35B at some point I think.
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Sorry, but imo Rafaela and EF is very much still relevant and won't go anywhere. In light of what's happening I imagine more EU countries ordering EF to built up and prevent any threats like, we're not sending you the flightcode problem.
EF and Rafale are relevant anf effective against 4.5 - 4th gen fighters and Su57, sure. But not J20 or J35 etc. Plus Algeria is getting Su57 and Pakistan is getting FC31(j35?)... so the competition is definitely starting to increase.
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Let’s wait if European states not willing to cancel F-35 purchase, after EU wants to spend €1. billion in military stuff.
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Would make sense eurofighter and Rafael production lines would to slow to handle the demand if European nations would switch it would take years and I doubt that anyone in Europe except maybe ukraine or Hungary would buy kaan
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Trump is creating big problems for North America by failing to honour the free trade agreement and for the Europeans by betraying Ukraine. threatening to occupy Greenland etc.
Perhaps due to the new US attitude of seeing other countries (including partners) as targets for exploitation, RR will be more interested in long term involvement with Turkiye.
On the topic of Eurofighter, I think that the UK assembly line has no more aircraft to assemble. I hope that the UK government will order more after the defence review is published later this year. As far as I know the US can severely hinder UK use of its F-35's but it cannot do that to UK Eurofighters so I hope that more will be ordered. The UK's early Tranche1 aircraft are due for retirement this year or next. Additionally, the skilled workforce used for Eurofighter assembly needs something to do until needed for GCAP.
Perhaps due to the new US attitude of seeing other countries (including partners) as targets for exploitation, RR will be more interested in long term involvement with Turkiye.
On the topic of Eurofighter, I think that the UK assembly line has no more aircraft to assemble. I hope that the UK government will order more after the defence review is published later this year. As far as I know the US can severely hinder UK use of its F-35's but it cannot do that to UK Eurofighters so I hope that more will be ordered. The UK's early Tranche1 aircraft are due for retirement this year or next. Additionally, the skilled workforce used for Eurofighter assembly needs something to do until needed for GCAP.
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Spain and maybe Italy.
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5.gen jets are not that widespread that they'll be a problem. the workhorse is still 4th-4.5gen. Spitting out country names that are buying 5th gen isn't going to make a difference.
who here thinks Algeria is going to be a problem for Europe ? None. China is too far away and in case they start selling 5th gen to Russia (I doubt they will) it's not going to be a problem for Europe. And Pakistan, well, still not going to be a problem for Europe anyway you look at it.
Besides no one has had 5th gen flying in warzone with proper AD yet, so I doubt we'll truly see if it lives up to expectation of will fall like flies.
who here thinks Algeria is going to be a problem for Europe ? None. China is too far away and in case they start selling 5th gen to Russia (I doubt they will) it's not going to be a problem for Europe. And Pakistan, well, still not going to be a problem for Europe anyway you look at it.
Besides no one has had 5th gen flying in warzone with proper AD yet, so I doubt we'll truly see if it lives up to expectation of will fall like flies.
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War doctrine has changed, from massive destructions by “work horses “ like F-16, to more accurate and pinpoint attacks by F-35. Doesn’t mean 4.Gen jets are obsolete, but not that important as in the past.
Those are just the first customers, if many others decide to buy jets from china or russia, it will become a problem.
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Did F-35I's stop Israel from doing mass destruction ? I don't think so. Neither did Russia's SU-57's. Mass destruction weapons will always be used. I got your point anyways.
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Maybe if we shared the IP with them. They are not interested in a system if it's not French. It's a good thinking to have as much as possible.
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Can F-35 carrying nuklear weapons? Yes, they can. I don’t deny that. And this was never my point. Read carefully.
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I didn't say it was your point. I gave an opposit idea of mine to 'a part' of your post and than I said I got your point 'anyways' to show that I am not disagreeing with all your thoughts on the post but a part of it.
