TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Afif]

Perfect choice for Indonesia. It will offer credible deterrence without relaying on US. I do see them buying additional batch of 48/50 aircrafts in 2030s as the indo-pacific heats up and their economy grows.

Also, $200-220 millions per KAAN sounds very good as package deal. (Assuming it is)

 

[mTT]

Why not?
Pakistan,

F-16 USA
JF-17 China/Pakistan
J-10 China

So,why not?

Pakistan is purchasing the J-35 fighter jet at a discounted price without having paid off the loan for the J-10. China is providing a new loan for the J-35 while deferring the repayment of the J-10 loan.

Since Pakistan is already repaying two separate aircraft loans, it cannot afford to purchase our KAAN fighter jet with an upfront payment.

Can we offer them credit? (We were unable to offer credit for warship sales to other countries.)

 

[Khagan1923]

I wonder if Indonesia will get KAAN with turkish engine, or why would it be a 10-year project for 48 Jets? Türkiye is very confident after all that KAAN's indigenous engine will succeed.
Also i think Pakistan and Azerbaijan are waiting for the first engine prototype to place their orders.

Well Logic would dictate that a State Department that has no problems selling F-15EX fighters to Indonesia would have no objection but then again who knows in what kinda state the US will be in 5 years from now.

 

[mTT]

I wonder if Indonesia will get KAAN with turkish engine, or why would it be a 10-year project for 48 Jets? Türkiye is very confident after all that KAAN's indigenous engine will succeed.
Also i think Pakistan and Azerbaijan are waiting for the first engine prototype to place their orders.

TF35000

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932746687594049652

 

[Yasar_TR]

You can not sell a fighter plane when it is not ready. It is not credible and logical for a country to buy a fighter jet when it is still being developed.
Kaan still needs extensive tests and is no where near ready as a fighter. It’s avionics, radar and structure still needs many improvements and verifications of the technologies to be used on it.
Even as a 4.5 generation plane it is not ready. Hell! Even the f110 engines’ arrival are suspect.
Domestic prototype engine manufacturing is not even started yet.
No country on earth will buy outright such an unfinished plane, no matter whoever is claiming it so!
If they said that Indonesia has been accepted as a partner in to the program who will actively help developing it and also committing to purchase 48 planes in the end. That is credible and conceivable.

Indonesia doesn’t have a very good track record. Due to non payment of their part of the Boramae project, they are at the verge of being kicked out of the program. If memory serves, they have a 7.5% stake in the program now.
They had a contract to buy SU35s from Russia. They went back on it due to Caatsa threat.
They signed a contract for Rafale purchase. Now there are news that they are cancelling it and are signing a contract for buying from Chinese stocks same number of J10Cs.
They had signed a contract with US to purchase F15EX fighters. There are news that this too is in jeopardy.

What ever contract they signed with Turkey, is not worth the paper it is written on.

 

[mTT]

TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:
- "We are planning to sell 48 KAANs to Indonesia. The first delivery will be in the 2030s. Deliveries will be made with a domestic engine. It has a value between 12-15 billion dollars."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932760439827673565

@Strong AI

 

[mTT]

48+12 KAAN in 84 months!

SSB President Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün:

A KAAN 5th generation fighter jet export contract was signed with the Indonesian Ministry of Defense.

In the first phase, 48 and an additional 12 KAANs will be produced. The KAANs, all of which will be produced in Turkey, will be delivered to the Indonesian Ministry of Defense.

Deliveries will be completed within 84 months.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932757033960259922

 

[NEKO]

They signed a contract for Rafale purchase. Now there are news that they are cancelling it and are signing a contract for buying from Chinese stocks same number of J10Cs.

BS.
Indonesia is currently waiting for Rafale delivery, and considering for additional order.

 

[Pokemonte13]

84 months from today or from first delivery date to last delivery date

 

[Zafer]

So it is not just 48 but 60 Kaan with addition of 12 to Indonesia. I have a Turkish friend who spends half of his year in Indonesia, I bet he will be walking proud today.

 

[mTT]

84 months from today or from first delivery date to last delivery date

2030(first delivery) + 84 months

 

[Rooxbar]

I'm much more interested in where the second prototype is. It's been 2 years. Should've had the third one by now.

 

[mTT]

I'm much more interested in where the second prototype is. It's been 2 years. Should've had the third one by now.

KAAN jet's first flight took place on February 21, 2024, and the second flight was conducted on May 6, 2024. These flights were carried out with PT-0 prototypes, which were originally not intended to be flown. The first flight of the PT-1 prototype, which is designed to be the actual flying version, is expected to take place before the end of 2025.

 

[Yasar_TR]

And yet, none of the Jets you have mentioned is a fifth-gen fighter, also they bought KAAN with indigenous engines.
Weren't there countries who ordered F-35 before the start of serial production?
Just enjoy the news and relax.

Committed to purchase yes. So had we!! From a country with proven track record of manufacturing the best planes.

I would love to be proven wrong.

This is too god to be true. Unless

1. We are not told what we are giving in return
2. The narrative is a bit lacking about the contract details. It may not be an outright purchase as it is portrayed to be.

I still withhold my point of Indonesia’s dependability.

 

[norman88]

You can not sell a fighter plane when it is not ready. It is not credible and logical for a country to buy a fighter jet when it is still being developed.
Kaan still needs extensive tests and is no where near ready as a fighter. It’s avionics, radar and structure still needs many improvements and verifications of the technologies to be used on it.
Even as a 4.5 generation plane it is not ready. Hell! Even the f110 engines’ arrival are suspect.
Domestic prototype engine manufacturing is not even started yet.
No country on earth will buy outright such an unfinished plane, no matter whoever is claiming it so!
If they said that Indonesia has been accepted as a partner in to the program who will actively help developing it and also committing to purchase 48 planes in the end. That is credible and conceivable.

Indonesia doesn’t have a very good track record. Due to non payment of their part of the Boramae project, they are at the verge of being kicked out of the program. If memory serves, they have a 7.5% stake in the program now.
They had a contract to buy SU35s from Russia. They went back on it due to Caatsa threat.
They signed a contract for Rafale purchase. Now there are news that they are cancelling it and are signing a contract for buying from Chinese stocks same number of J10Cs.
They had signed a contract with US to purchase F15EX fighters. There are news that this too is in jeopardy.

What ever contract they signed with Turkey, is not worth the paper it is written on.

As you said, this is just an MOU, which covers cooperation between Indonesia and Turkey in developing KAAN. For some reason, the Turkish media and people in the Turkish government are exaggerating this agreement, treating it as if it were a contract.

Disaksikan Prabowo, Indonesia-Turki Teken MoU Kerja Sama Pengembangan Jet Tempur Generasi Ke-5 KAAN - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Jakarta, IDM - Indonesia dan Turki menandatangani nota kesepahaman atau memorandum of understanding (MoU) kerja sama pengembangan jet tempur generasi

indonesiadefense.com

By the way, there are a few corrections to your statement above. The Rafale has not been canceled, it's already in the DA backlog and will be delivered in early 2026. Jakarta is even interested in adding a few dozen more Rafales.

Entry into force of the final tranche of 18 Rafale for Indonesia - Press kits

(Saint-Cloud, January 8, 2024) – The final tranche of 18 Rafale for Indonesia came into force today. © Dassault Aviation – C. Cosmao

www.dassault-aviation.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1927710838200152320

As for the J-10, there is a rumor that Jakarta will purchase 42 used J-10s from China, but this has nothing to do with the Rafale. This rumor has been around since last year.

China/Indonesia/Russia : J-10C, Su-57, F-15 or F-16: Prabowo's arrival in power fuels race for arms contracts - 11/11/2024 - Intelligence Online

Since taking up office, Indonesia's new president has been solicited by countries interested in selling their military wares to Jakarta, from Russia and China to the US and France. - 11/11/2024

www.intelligenceonline.com

As for the SU-35, that's still a rumor, but what's certain is that the contract for this fighter jet has only been postponed, possibly while waiting for CAATSA relief.

Lastly, the F-15EX procurement is still at the MOU stage, just like the KAAN case. There is no contract yet, nor has it reached the LOA stage.

Indonesia Announces Commitment to Acquire Boeing F-15EX

boeing.mediaroom.com

 

[NEKO]

TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:
- "We are planning to sell 48 KAANs to Indonesia. The first delivery will be in the 2030s. Deliveries will be made with a domestic engine. It has a value between 12-15 billion dollars."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932760439827673565

@Strong AI

The model is very different from the first prototype.
The vertical tails is more angled, longer nose, overall looks better.

 

[RMZN]

The model is very different from the first prototype.
The vertical tails is more angled, longer nose, overall looks better.

It's based on the Paris Air Show Mockup from 2019

 

[Yasar_TR]

As you said, this is just an MOU, which covers cooperation between Indonesia and Turkey in developing KAAN. For some reason, the Turkish media and people in the Turkish government are exaggerating this agreement, treating it as if it were a contract.

Disaksikan Prabowo, Indonesia-Turki Teken MoU Kerja Sama Pengembangan Jet Tempur Generasi Ke-5 KAAN - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Jakarta, IDM - Indonesia dan Turki menandatangani nota kesepahaman atau memorandum of understanding (MoU) kerja sama pengembangan jet tempur generasi

indonesiadefense.com

By the way, there are a few corrections to your statement above. The Rafale has not been canceled, it's already in the DA backlog and will be delivered in early 2026. Jakarta is even interested in adding a few dozen more Rafales.

Entry into force of the final tranche of 18 Rafale for Indonesia - Press kits

(Saint-Cloud, January 8, 2024) – The final tranche of 18 Rafale for Indonesia came into force today. © Dassault Aviation – C. Cosmao

www.dassault-aviation.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1927710838200152320

As for the J-10, there is a rumor that Jakarta will purchase 42 used J-10s from China, but this has nothing to do with the Rafale. This rumor has been around since last year.

China/Indonesia/Russia : J-10C, Su-57, F-15 or F-16: Prabowo's arrival in power fuels race for arms contracts - 11/11/2024 - Intelligence Online

Since taking up office, Indonesia's new president has been solicited by countries interested in selling their military wares to Jakarta, from Russia and China to the US and France. - 11/11/2024

www.intelligenceonline.com

As for the SU-35, that's still a rumor, but what's certain is that the contract for this fighter jet has only been postponed, possibly while waiting for CAATSA relief.

Lastly, the F-15EX procurement is still at the MOU stage, just like the KAAN case. There is no contract yet, nor has it reached the LOA stage.

Indonesia Announces Commitment to Acquire Boeing F-15EX

boeing.mediaroom.com

I stand corrected for the Rafale. Thanks.
You have more or less corroborated my views about the KAAN.

 

[2033]

This is very good news, but I think everybody knows that Indonesia will not pay on time. We need to sign a solid agreement on the payment schedule.

 

[Barry]

So it is not just 48 but 60 Kaan with addition of 12 to Indonesia. I have a Turkish friend who spends half of his year in Indonesia, I bet he will be walking proud today.

why, did he work on the jet or facilitate the purchase?