TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[RMZN]

Turkey signed an actual deal with the US to buy F-16B70 and nothing has become of it so far. I would expect even less from a MOU for an aircraft that is still in its development phase.

 

[Zafer]

They used Cirits to attack Turkish proxies in Libya and Roketsan supplied MLRS in Sudan. When they need it, they will.

They won't use Kaan to attack Turkish forces.

Kaan is a $150mn, 20.3m long smart device, he knows what he is doing and he won't betray Türkiye. UAE can only use it in defensive operations.

 

[Sanchez]

Turkey signed an actual deal with the US to buy F-16B70 and nothing has become of it so far.

Allegedly. US deals are a bit more complex.

 

[Khagan1923]

Turkey signed an actual deal with the US to buy F-16B70 and nothing has become of it so far. I would expect even less from a MOU for an aircraft that is still in its development phase.

TBF the F16 Deal stalling is more on us than the americans. If we wanted the deal would be finalized tomorrow.

 

[Sanchez]

Both are MoUs, which are again statements of interest, none of it are legally binding contracts. There's no payment for the aircraft, there's no official documentation.

Best of luck to us all.

 

[Huelague]

KAAN will be the backbone and the Future of Turkish Air force. No need for big words but I dont think we will face much difficulty in finding satisfactory amount of customers. Another advantage will be Unlike most 5 gens, KAAN will be a progressive platform i.e KAAN will develope gradually and in stages.

The „problem“ will not be the quality, but maybe the price.

 

[mTT]

Editor-in-Chief of TURDEF, Özgür Ekşi, commented on recent developments such as the export of Kaan to Indonesia and the export of the Atmaca missile to the same country.

 

[TheInsider]

As I said before, sensors of Kaan will be ready in time for the second prototype of Kaan. Murad-600, Toygun, Karat, IVDL and Tulgar will be integrated on the Kaan prototype in 2026.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1933224218751021211

KAAN'ın Radarı ASELSAN MURAD-600'de Son Durum | SavunmaSanayiST

ASELSAN Genel Müdürü Ahmet Akyol, KAAN savaş uçağı için geliştirilen MURAD-600 Radar Sistemi'nde gelinen son aşamaya değindi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Pokemonte13]

As I said before, sensors of Kaan will be ready in time for the second prototype of Kaan. Murad-600, Toygun, Karat, IVDL and Tulgar will be integrated on the Kaan prototype in 2026.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1933224218751021211

KAAN'ın Radarı ASELSAN MURAD-600'de Son Durum | SavunmaSanayiST

ASELSAN Genel Müdürü Ahmet Akyol, KAAN savaş uçağı için geliştirilen MURAD-600 Radar Sistemi'nde gelinen son aşamaya değindi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

That means Kizilelma and anka real serial production will have them next year together with tf6000

 

[boredaf]

That means Kizilelma and anka real serial production will have them next year together with tf6000

TF6000 won't be ready for a 2 or 3 more years. You can't just rush ground and aerial testing of an engine and put it into serial production. As far as proper testing go, TF6000 has just began a very long road AND the same road will have to be walked again with TF10000.

 

[Spitfire9]

I said it here yesterday or the day before and I say it again: beware dealing with Indonesia. Indonesia cannot be trusted.

South Korea and Jakarta have reached an agreement to reboot their cooperation in the KF-21 fighter programme, as the Southeast Asian nation downplays the firmness of an agreement to obtain 48 Turkish Aerospace (TAI) Kaan fighters.

According to Seoul’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration, officials from both countries have confirmed an arrangement that sharply reduces Jakarta’s financial commitment in the programme.

Seoul, Jakarta in KF-21 compromise; Kaan commitment downplayed

South Korea and Jakarta have reached an agreement to reboot their cooperation in the KF-21 fighter programme, as the Southeast Asian nation downplays the firmness of an agreement to obtain 48 Turkish Aerospace (TAI) Kaan fighters.

www.flightglobal.com

Sad for the KAAN programme.

 

[Huelague]

I said it here yesterday or the day before and I say it again: beware dealing with Indonesia. Indonesia cannot be trusted.

Seoul, Jakarta in KF-21 compromise; Kaan commitment downplayed

South Korea and Jakarta have reached an agreement to reboot their cooperation in the KF-21 fighter programme, as the Southeast Asian nation downplays the firmness of an agreement to obtain 48 Turkish Aerospace (TAI) Kaan fighters.

www.flightglobal.com

Sad for the KAAN programme.

Who don’t trust Indonesia?

 

[Tabmachine]

Who don’t trust Indonesia?

shhh just beg for eurofighters, dont do business elsewhere, this is the way

 

[Saithan]

I'm beginning to think people are only capable of single run processes and unable to factor in different variables.

In plain old english, "Idi.ots". There has to be a effing limit on how many times people take a MOU for a sales deal/contract. Goes to show the average IQ of Turk has dropped well below average ever since AKP came.

Spitfire is voicing for caution and that is quite normal.

 

[Strong AI]

People here don't pay attention to two things.
1. This MoU is the only one for a 5th-gen fighter, which Indonesia has signed (correct me if i am wrong).
2. If KAAN and its turkish engine enter serial production (so no problems from turkish side) and Indonesia refuses to order those Jets (actual numbers are not written in stone), then Indonesia probably knows very well that in this case, they won't be able to participate in any future projects and won't be able to buy strategic platforms as well as weapons from Türkiye for a long time.

 

[mTT]

Following the agreement with Indonesia, could it contribute to the signing of Memorandums of Understanding (MoUs) with other countries for KAAN in the near future?

 

[GoatsMilk]

People here don't pay attention to two things.
1. This MoU is the only one for a 5th-gen fighter, which Indonesia has signed (correct me if i am wrong).
2. If KAAN and its turkish engine enter serial production (so no problems from turkish side) and Indonesia refuses to order those Jets (actual numbers are not written in stone), then Indonesia probably knows very well that in this case, they won't be able to participate in any future projects and won't be able to buy strategic platforms as well as weapons from Türkiye for a long time.

I think the second point is the wrong mindset for a nation like Turkiye. Indonesia showing interest towards the KAAN is good for us, even if in the end they don't buy it. We have some ways to go before we can be considered reliable for fighter jets, until then we should be flexible and considerate. Personally i take this move from Indonesia as a goodwill gesture.

Right now the move from indonesia is good optics for Turkiye and her industry. We need more nations who believe in some kind of "religious" brotherhood with us to make that move towards us.

 

[Strong AI]

I think the second point is the wrong mindset for a nation like Turkiye. Indonesia showing interest towards the KAAN is good for us, even if in the end they don't buy it. We have some ways to go before we can be considered reliable for fighter jets, until then we should be flexible and considerate. Personally i take this move from Indonesia as a goodwill gesture.

Right now the move from indonesia is good optics for Turkiye and her industry. We need more nations who believe in some kind of "religious" brotherhood with us to make that move towards us.

In normal conditions i would agree with you, but before this MoU, there were many talks and visits between those two countries (probably related to KAAN). In this case, if there won't be problems from turkish side, imo Türkiye will see it as "backstabbing".

 

[Strong AI]

Following the agreement with Indonesia, could it contribute to the signing of Memorandums of Understanding (MoUs) with other countries for KAAN in the near future?

Other countries will probably wait for the prototype of TF35000.

 

[GoatsMilk]

In normal conditions i would agree with you, but before this MoU, there were many talks and visits between those two countries (probably related to KAAN). In this case, if there won't be problems from turkish side, imo Türkiye will see it as "backstabbing".

Indonesia is a friendly nation to Turkiye and truth be told probably will become a close ally as time moves forward. The Turkish establishment should always look at the bigger picture concerning these things.

But from a personal perspective if this plane succeeds it will have many buyers. Few options exist for this type of fighter jet and even fewer options exist that don't come with all the political conditions and baggage you get from buying western. Westerners use their weapon sales as influencing factors and in many cases against the interests of the nations who brought them.