TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Sanchez]

A plane is a sum of its parts. And a plane has many parts. And many owners (ip).

This have layers. Re US; buying an aircraft from US needs congressional approval; so acceptance of the near entirety of American political system. An aircraft with ITAR components, so an aircraft that's under American export restrictions require US State Dept approval, so an acceptance of the government of the time.

 

[Zafer]

This have layers. Re US; buying an aircraft from US needs congressional approval; so acceptance of the near entirety of American political system. An aircraft with ITAR components, so an aircraft that's under American export restrictions require US State Dept approval, so an acceptance of the government of the time.

Things will get a lot more complicated going forward as there is a bill to increase the level of integration between the US and Israel military joint development. Possibly the US will use more and more of Israel made components in the future which will need approval of Israel. This can surely limit the clientele of American made war machines.

 

[urban mine]

Isn't this just a rehash of what we talked about last time?

Most of the items listed in that article are already in the process of being localized, so why are we even debating whether they’re “Korean” or “Turkish”? It was actually kind of funny that the list even included details of technologies purchased and support received during development. Do they think Allah or the Hindu gods just directly imparted knowledge into the engineers’ heads in Turkey or India?

Is this a problem for exports? Well, if there were diplomatic issues with Korea, that might be the case, but we’ve never sold to any country where sales are prohibited in the U.S. Even in the case of the widely sold FA-50, there are many instances where foreign components included in the aircraft for overseas sales were replaced with domestically produced ones.

Some people may feel uncomfortable with phrases like “U.S. approval,” but keep in mind that Turkey is, after all, the country with the second-largest fleet of F-16s, right after the United States.

Not at all. KF-21 have tens of subsystems sourced from US and other countries. A Turkish user got triggered and made a massive list last year on twitter. I'm sure many of this will be nationalized in time, but many others simply won't be as that requires gutting the aircraft and making a new one.

But I don't understand what that means. Does that mean there are parts that are completely irreplaceable? Well, when you localize a product, some redesign is naturally involved, but it goes without saying that you design it to meet those specifications to ensure compatibility....

 

[Oublious]

Seeing for the first time.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2066954305794408753

 

[Sanchez]

US to move forward with Turkey jet engine sales ahead of NATO summit, sources say​

"The engines, produced by General Electric, will power ⁠Turkey's first indigenous combat jet Kaan, a major project launched in 2016 as part of NATO member Ankara's efforts to be more self-sufficient in its defense. One of the sources said the package will be worth more than $700 million."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-move-forward-with-turkey-jet-engine-sales-ahead-nato-summit-sources-say-2026-06-24/

 

[Zafer]

So, how many engines does this sum of money buy, is it like $7mn each.

 

[Sanchez]

So, how many engines does this sum of money buy, is it like $7mn each.

More like 15-17 each, especially if it will be a single country order and not a bulk purchase by DoD to GE. Expect 40 engines plus 2-3 spares for the 20 B10 jets.

 

[Zafer]

More like 15-17 each, especially if it will be a single country order and not a bulk purchase by DoD to GE. Expect 40 engines plus 2-3 spares for the 20 B10 jets.

This would be an opportunistic pricing but we don't need that many anyway. On th flip side the new Kaan engine will fetch quite a bit of money when it is done.

 

[Yasar_TR]

More like 15-17 each, especially if it will be a single country order and not a bulk purchase by DoD to GE. Expect 40 engines plus 2-3 spares for the 20 B10 jets.

For a bulk order of 329 engines for 136 f15EX for the US , GE was given a contract of 1.58billion dollars in 2021. That puts each engine at just under 5 million dollars.

GE will provide all F-15EX engines under $1.6B contract

The final delivery of GE's F110 engines would occur in 2031, and the engine deliveries would help produce 136 F-15EXs.

www.defensenews.com

700million dollar contract, at a price of 7 million a piece, should cover 100 engines for 40 jets. Otherwise 14 million dollars a piece for 50 engines to cover 20 jets is like “daylight robbery”. Normal price for these engines is between 6 to 8 million dollars for small runs