TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Sanchez]

A plane is a sum of its parts. And a plane has many parts. And many owners (ip).

This have layers. Re US; buying an aircraft from US needs congressional approval; so acceptance of the near entirety of American political system. An aircraft with ITAR components, so an aircraft that's under American export restrictions require US State Dept approval, so an acceptance of the government of the time.

 

[Zafer]

This have layers. Re US; buying an aircraft from US needs congressional approval; so acceptance of the near entirety of American political system. An aircraft with ITAR components, so an aircraft that's under American export restrictions require US State Dept approval, so an acceptance of the government of the time.

Things will get a lot more complicated going forward as there is a bill to increase the level of integration between the US and Israel military joint development. Possibly the US will use more and more of Israel made components in the future which will need approval of Israel. This can surely limit the clientele of American made war machines.

 

[urban mine]

Isn't this just a rehash of what we talked about last time?

Most of the items listed in that article are already in the process of being localized, so why are we even debating whether they’re “Korean” or “Turkish”? It was actually kind of funny that the list even included details of technologies purchased and support received during development. Do they think Allah or the Hindu gods just directly imparted knowledge into the engineers’ heads in Turkey or India?

Is this a problem for exports? Well, if there were diplomatic issues with Korea, that might be the case, but we’ve never sold to any country where sales are prohibited in the U.S. Even in the case of the widely sold FA-50, there are many instances where foreign components included in the aircraft for overseas sales were replaced with domestically produced ones.

Some people may feel uncomfortable with phrases like “U.S. approval,” but keep in mind that Turkey is, after all, the country with the second-largest fleet of F-16s, right after the United States.

Not at all. KF-21 have tens of subsystems sourced from US and other countries. A Turkish user got triggered and made a massive list last year on twitter. I'm sure many of this will be nationalized in time, but many others simply won't be as that requires gutting the aircraft and making a new one.

But I don't understand what that means. Does that mean there are parts that are completely irreplaceable? Well, when you localize a product, some redesign is naturally involved, but it goes without saying that you design it to meet those specifications to ensure compatibility....

 

[Oublious]

Seeing for the first time.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2066954305794408753

 

[Sanchez]

US to move forward with Turkey jet engine sales ahead of NATO summit, sources say​

"The engines, produced by General Electric, will power ⁠Turkey's first indigenous combat jet Kaan, a major project launched in 2016 as part of NATO member Ankara's efforts to be more self-sufficient in its defense. One of the sources said the package will be worth more than $700 million."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-move-forward-with-turkey-jet-engine-sales-ahead-nato-summit-sources-say-2026-06-24/

 

[Zafer]

So, how many engines does this sum of money buy, is it like $7mn each.

 

[Sanchez]

So, how many engines does this sum of money buy, is it like $7mn each.

More like 15-17 each, especially if it will be a single country order and not a bulk purchase by DoD to GE. Expect 40 engines plus 2-3 spares for the 20 B10 jets.

 

[Zafer]

More like 15-17 each, especially if it will be a single country order and not a bulk purchase by DoD to GE. Expect 40 engines plus 2-3 spares for the 20 B10 jets.

This would be an opportunistic pricing but we don't need that many anyway. On th flip side the new Kaan engine will fetch quite a bit of money when it is made.

 

[Yasar_TR]

More like 15-17 each, especially if it will be a single country order and not a bulk purchase by DoD to GE. Expect 40 engines plus 2-3 spares for the 20 B10 jets.

For a bulk order of 329 engines for 136 f15EX for the US , GE was given a contract of 1.58billion dollars in 2021. That puts each engine at just under 5 million dollars.

GE will provide all F-15EX engines under $1.6B contract

The final delivery of GE's F110 engines would occur in 2031, and the engine deliveries would help produce 136 F-15EXs.

www.defensenews.com

700million dollar contract, at a price of 7 million a piece, should cover 100 engines for 40 jets. Otherwise 14 million dollars a piece for 50 engines to cover 20 jets is like “daylight robbery”. Normal price for these engines is between 6 to 8 million dollars for small runs

 

[Afif]

For a bulk order of 329 engines for 136 f15EX for the US , GE was given a contract of 1.58billion dollars in 2021. That puts each engine at just under 5 million dollars.

GE will provide all F-15EX engines under $1.6B contract

The final delivery of GE's F110 engines would occur in 2031, and the engine deliveries would help produce 136 F-15EXs.

www.defensenews.com

700million dollar contract, at a price of 7 million a piece, should cover 100 engines for 40 jets. Otherwise 14 million dollars a piece for 50 engines to cover 20 jets is like “daylight robbery”. Normal price for these engines is between 6 to 8 million dollars for small runs

I mean, Türkiye is paying little over $500 millions per Eurofighter (total package). Comparatively this isn't that big considering it would bring an squadron of homegrown 5th gen fighter into service on time and introduce most significant capability upgrade in TurAF's history.

 

[Strong AI]

Reporter: Türkiye wants the F-110 jet engines, and they want their F-35 fighter jets. Are you going to Türkiye with a big gift bag?

Trump: I think so. He's a member of NATO. Some people don't consider himself, but he really is.

He is a strong member of NATO. Yeah, I'm going to probably do something that's going to make him very happy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2069881877163602148

 

[Sanchez]

Reporter: Türkiye wants the F-110 jet engines, and they want their F-35 fighter jets. Are you going to Türkiye with a big gift bag?

Trump: I think so. He's a member of NATO. Some people don't consider himself, but he really is.

He is a strong member of NATO. Yeah, I'm going to probably do something that's going to make him very happy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2069881877163602148

And Vance here clarifies the requirements again.
"Pete and the entire team are reviewing this right now, because there are certain things that we have to certify have happened — that have happened in order to comply with American law. The president has asked us to do that.

We're running the traps and confirming that's happened.

This is really a congressional thing, and ensuring that Türkiye has complied with American law so they can get the F-35s. We will announce that when we have-"

He's referring to the NDAA with S400 ownership. If it's going to be finally resolved, it'll probably be resolved this summer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2069885716365025748

 

[Pokemonte13]

Priority are the engines the F35 are the dessert. There are two realistic options for us firstly joint US Turkish control of s400 in incirlic or we sell it back to the Russians. Out of these options the second one would be the best for us considering we get money. But that would only resolve caatsa and we would need congress to approve the export of 20-40(except 6) F35 to us.