News The Turkish frigate TCG Gemlik (F-492) was found less than six miles from Eastern Crete

[Oublious]

I just quoted the facts that confirm that i am right and your compatriot is wrong. Is it my fault that you are wrong? I also did not talk about the islands of the Eastern Aegean but about Crete because i can understand and accept the fact that the extension of territorial waters to 12 nautical miles can not exist in the Aegean as it closes the free passage of third countries. I gave the example of the Philippines to prove to Oublious that the islands, which can host life, have an Exclusive Economic Zone and their territorial waters can be extended to 12 nautical miles. The fact that the Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean are very close to the coasts of Asia Minor suggests that some islands belong to its geographical underwater extension but this does not give you the right to set a limit of 6 nautical miles south of Crete with the Memorandum you signed with Libya. Greece has the right at any time to extend its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles, at least south of Crete.

The example you showed proof opposite, your claim against Turkey and you give as example are not the same. The right of Philippine us not more then ther neighbours, if that is approved by that countries. Then ther is a boundery. The site i give as example show us that maximalist claims are not possible, you can go find it in EU.

Just admit it, Greece is wrong.

 

[Oublious]

No single island with crazy claims like Greece...

 

[Oublious]

Your country try to force us to accept this stupid EEZ. You have tried with EU backing, France, USA and Italy. If we didn't have strong army you would have win it. But lucky for us our navy is strong, ther are still dumb Turks talking about we should do a step. For me talking is over, i hope the people ther in the goverment see it like that way.We should make our airforce and navy stronger then today.

In the end ther is one kind justice and that is power. All that stuf about diplomatic is bs....

 

[Glass🚬]

In the end ther is one kind justice and that is power. All that stuf about diplomatic is bs....

^this, just a matter of time til the east mad is turning into a turkish lake anyway.

 

[Vaggos]

Your country try to force us to accept this stupid EEZ. You have tried with EU backing, France, USA and Italy. If we didn't have strong army you would have win it. But lucky for us our navy is strong, ther are still dumb Turks talking about we should do a step. For me talking is over, i hope the people ther in the goverment see it like that way.We should make our airforce and navy stronger then today.

In the end ther is one kind justice and that is power. All that stuf about diplomatic is bs....

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^this, just a matter of time til the east mad is turning into a turkish lake anyway.

"Spes quae differtur, aggravat animum."

Whoever feeds on hope dies of hunger.

 

[Oublious]

"Spes quae differtur, aggravat animum."

Whoever feeds on hope dies of hunger.

 

[Manomed]

"Spes quae differtur, aggravat animum."

Whoever feeds on hope dies of hunger.

Yeah sums up the greeks desperate hopes

 

[what]

Everybody behave and be civil. No name calling, no trash talking.

 

[Foulgrim]

Law 4619/2019 of the new Penal Code and with Government Gazette 95/Α /11-6-2019 actually repeals articles 400 & 401 which concerned fishing from third countries. These articles stated the following:
Article 400:
1. Whoever fishes in waters where another has the right to fish, without his permission shall be punished by a fine or by imprisonment of up to six months.
2. If the perpetrator engages in illegal fishing professionally or as usual, he shall be punished by imprisonment of up to two years.
3. Prosecution shall be instituted only on appeal.
Article 401:
A foreigner who fishes without a right in the territorial waters of the Greek state is punished with a fine or with imprisonment of up to six months.

The abolition of the legal framework in the Penal Code came a few days before the current Government took over(8-7-2019). They deceived the Greek people by shaping the laws as they want without asking anyone. The current government did not seem to be interested in reinstating these articles for two years.
The announcement of the Greek Coast Guard

Νόμος 4619/2019 - ΦΕΚ 95/Α/11-6-2019 - Κύρωση του Ποινικού Κώδικα.(Ποινικός Κώδικας Κωδικοποιημένος)

Τρέχουσα ενοποιημένη έκδοση: 25.06.2024. Το Κωδικοποιημένο αρχείο, εκδόθηκε σε ενοποιημένο κείμενο με ενσωματωμένες τις μεταγενέστερες τροποποιήσεις με τις διατάξεις του Ν.5113/2024 - ΦΕΚ 96/Α/21-6-2024.

www.e-nomothesia.gr

 

[Ryder]

Your country try to force us to accept this stupid EEZ. You have tried with EU backing, France, USA and Italy. If we didn't have strong army you would have win it. But lucky for us our navy is strong, ther are still dumb Turks talking about we should do a step. For me talking is over, i hope the people ther in the goverment see it like that way.We should make our airforce and navy stronger then today.

In the end ther is one kind justice and that is power. All that stuf about diplomatic is bs....

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What do you expect they still want Istanbul from us.

They believe they are entitled to get it back.

Thats why making the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque was a middle finger to the Greeks. To remind them with every stupid claim they have against us means will just constantly stick the middle finger to them.

 

[Glass🚬]

"Spes quae differtur, aggravat animum."

Whoever feeds on hope dies of hunger.

Hopium is that what ur pm is feeding u over and over while hiding all his miscalculations and failed policies, im aware of how hes controlling ur media lol.

A country whoms demography will fall into 5 million in the coming decades with a beyond repair indebted economy isnt of any relevance. Thats just the way it is.

 

[Manomed]

Hopium is that what ur pm is feeding u over and over while hiding all his miscalculations and failed policies, im aware of how hes controlling ur media lol.

A country whoms demography will fall into 5 million in the coming decades with a beyond repair indebted economy isnt of any relevance. Thats just the way it is.

Greek media is worse than turkish media tbh They believe their army is the best in world They make claims without evidence Seen lots of stuff like this on GreekCityTimes

 

[Foulgrim]

The example you showed proof opposite, your claim against Turkey and you give as example are not the same. The right of Philippine us not more then ther neighbours, if that is approved by that countries. Then ther is a boundery. The site i give as example show us that maximalist claims are not possible, you can go find it in EU.

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Just admit it, Greece is wrong.

The Channel Islands have their own EEZ. They are independent state so the sea around them belong to them, not to UK not to France.

Exclusive economic zone of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Foulgrim]

What do you expect they still want Istanbul from us.

They believe they are entitled to get it back.

Thats why making the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque was a middle finger to the Greeks. To remind them with every stupid claim they have against us means will just constantly stick the middle finger to them.

The Greek governments never demanded that Istanbul be returned to Greek rule. What fairy tales are some of you writing! Just because some imaginary nationalists have such ideas does not mean that Greece adopts them. In Turkey, however, various high-ranking Turkish officials and geopolitical analysts say that we "stole" your islands! The sovereignty of each state was signed by the Treaty of Lausanne and Turkey has signed it. So what are you whining about? Here Turkish analysts claim up to 2/3 of Crete! Should we leave Greece and go to another country? Do we limit you geographically? Some of you write completely non-existent things.

 

[Oublious]

The Channel Islands have their own EEZ. They are independent state so the sea around them belong to them, not to UK not to France.

Exclusive economic zone of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You are not island but a county with shore....

 

[Foulgrim]

You are not island but a county with shore....

But you brought the example with the Channel Islands! I gave you the example with the Philippines. Do you have anything to say about that? These are not views from my mind but they are in the Law of the Sea.
Only the British Overseas Territories without Crown Dependencies!

All of these island areas(Overseas Territories) belonging to Great Britain and they have an Exclusive Economic Zone while their territorial waters extend to 12 nautical miles.

The Crown Dependencies are as follows:
Bailiwick of Guernsey, Bailiwick of Jersey & Isle of Man

 

[Oublious]

But you brought the example with the Channel Islands! I gave you the example with the Philippines. Do you have anything to say about that? These are not views from my mind but they are in the Law of the Sea.
Only the British Overseas Territories without Crown Dependencies!

All of these island areas(Overseas Territories) belonging to Great Britain and they have an Exclusive Economic Zone while their territorial waters extend to 12 nautical miles.

The Crown Dependencies are as follows:
Bailiwick of Guernsey, Bailiwick of Jersey & Isle of Man

They can have ther 12 miles, you made a deal with Turkey so forget all that stuf. Turkey should force you to go back to 3 miles.

 

[Foulgrim]

They can have ther 12 miles, you made a deal with Turkey so forget all that stuf. Turkey should force you to go back to 3 miles.

Why can Great Britain have 12 nautical miles and Greece can not? When did Greece make an agreement with Turkey not to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles? So you admit that in a pirate, violent and dishonest way Turkey is blackmailing Greece in order to deprive it of its sovereign rights. This is called the real cause of war! You confirm once again that Turkey's foreign policy is based on power and intimidation and not on the peaceful coexistence of two countries!

 

[Ryder]

Why can Great Britain have 12 nautical miles and Greece can not? When did Greece make an agreement with Turkey not to extend its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles? So you admit that in a pirate, violent and dishonest way Turkey is blackmailing Greece in order to deprive it of its sovereign rights. This is called the real cause of war! You confirm once again that Turkey's foreign policy is based on power and intimidation and not on the peaceful coexistence of two countries!

Only thing Greece is deserves is the whip.

Lets not forget how you greeks are trying to block us not just from the aegean sea but also the eastern med.

Good thing Turkey has power if not it will bend its knees to you supremacists.

Last time Greeks had power they began a mass slaughter campaign in Cyprus.

 

[Ardabas34]

I think we should rather focus on the developments and readings on what will happen next and also objective analyzes instead of the same barren arguements in these topics.
Page is getting flooded with same things from both sides and it bores people to the point of ignoring what is written after the OP.

It is obvious that neither side will declare the opposite right so?