TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[boredaf]

Good luck with your slow drones( MANPADSbait ) that would be blocked and jammed over battle in case of EW. Or you wouldn't fight against an Army that had this technology? Would your enemies be just African tribes?

Vice versa i offered relatively cheaper and ground attack aircraft rather than Hürjet.
According to you Hürkuş -C should be BS.

I already said I wouldn't consider Hürkuş C in an actual war but in counter-terrorist operation, pay attention to what is written before lashing out mate. And close air support doesn't mean what it meant in WWII or Vietnam or even what it meant 20 years ago.

Trying to hunt tanks with a plane that costs, at best, several millions that's going to have to use atgms with low range makes zero sense, at least with drones small squads can launch them and hunt them on the ground and a drone that can carry let's say Karaok can spot and hit a tank from 2 or more kms away before ever being spotted. Ever tried spotting something that small from that far away? Not to mention, nobody is hunting a drone with manpads and if they did they'd actually be wasting money. On top of all this, those slow drones have already proven themselves capable even used as low tech as simply dropping grenades on tanks, multiple models in fact. What I'm suggesting is an upgrade on the concept.

And jammed and blocked?? You think we are going to use off the shelf drones or something? We already have drones that are resistant to jamming, any drone we might make from now on that might be used in an actual war will be the same.

 

[UkroTurk]

@boredaf
Armies uses today MBTs which cost 5 million USD ( as same as Bayraktar TB-2)per unit for what? To be destroyed by ATGM? 5millionusd MBT hunts T72 tank where the battle field is full of ATGMs.
So stop producing Expensive MBTs just buy Bayraktar TB-2? Would it be logical?

Regarding EW , there is not just Datalink jamming. İf you jamm GPS signals over your country, any drone could not fly autonomously. BTW Jamming TB-2 is always possible. they can't autonomously find the own and target position.Thats why modern armies also need manned attack aircrafts.

Why EF typhoons(150million USD and manned) are loaded with Brimstone missiles? What is the range of Brimstones? You wouldnt use UMTAS on F-16s but Brits do it

the manned anti armor or CAS jet has own advantages.

İt is obvious Hürjet is expensive and has big RCS and IIR signature while Hürkuş is slower. Enemy can't detect every little flying object at low altitude.

My dream light attack jet wouldnt cost more than two or three Korean MBT.
Folland midge

The Smallest attack jet just two ton

Or the Marchetti s211 which is modern and operational one

 

[boredaf]

Armies uses today MBTs which cost 5 million USD ( as same as Bayraktar TB-2)per unit for what? To be destroyed by ATGM? 5millionusd MBT hunts T72 tank where the battle field is full of ATGMs.
So stop producing Expensive MBTs just buy Bayraktar TB-2? Would it be logical?

This is completely nonsensical. Yes, tanks are destroyed by atgms, just as they were destroyed by anti-tank guns and rockets before that, why is so radical about that? Just because a system has a countermeasure it doesn't mean you stop using that. If that were true, infantry would've been deleted from the battlefield ages ago. Ukrainians destroyed numerous Russians tanks using javelins, which is an expensive system but not expensive as the tank itself and certainly wouldn't be as expensive as making a light attack jet fighter.

Regarding EW , there is not just Datalink jamming. İf you jamm GPS signals over your country, any drone could not fly autonomously. BTW Jamming TB-2 is always possible. they can't autonomously find the own and target position.Thats why modern armies also need manned attack aircrafts.

Sure, but did I say "we should ditch the planes completely and go broke on drones!"? No, I didn't. Sure, jamming might work against drones but multiple other threats work against a plane that flies low and has to go into range of enemy air defences to do its work.

Why EF typhoons(150million USD and manned) are loaded with Brimstone missiles? What is the range of Brimstones? You wouldnt use UMTAS on F-16s but Brits do it

Eurofighter has never fought within a war where it faced an enemy that had a functioning air defence systems or manpads. And Brimstones range is more than twice of UMTAS, 20 km vs 8 km, and that is if they haven't started producing the new version which was going to improve the range even further, but I don't know what happened with that. But still, I would *love* to see them try to use Brimstones against anyone with functioning air defences, it would make for some hilarious videos seeing them get into that range.

My dream light attack jet wouldnt cost more than two or three Korean MBT.

So, you're dream light attack jet would cost somewhere between 16 to 24 million dollars, which would have to somehow survive against an enemy with air defence and so many manpads that they can shoot drones with it. While we already have systems that can kill tanks and can be adopted into other platforms for much cheaper. Okay then, let's agree to disagree and you keep dreaming mate.

 

[uçuyorum]

Sounds like a job for drones. Why go backwards?

 

[dBSPL]

Good luck with your slow drones( MANPADSbait ) that would be blocked and jammed over battle in case of EW. Or you wouldn't fight against an Army that had this technology? Would your enemies be just African tribes?

Vice versa i offered relatively cheaper and ground attack aircraft rather than Hürjet.
According to you Hürkuş -C should be BS.

It can also play a fighter role against low maneuver but long endurance high-altitude drones. Almost every air force in the world tends to solve ISTAR roles as well as some armed air support roles with UAVs more and more. While these systems offer significant advantages in terms of sustainment cost and endurance, they are very vulnerable to airborne threats with current typical payloads climbing capabilities and AoE. So It can be a tank destroyer, as well as nightmare to all rotary wing systems and piston/prop UCAVs.

 

[UkroTurk]

There's no harm in dreaming but it’s harmful not to dream.

@dBSPL you said well "ISTAR"




Even this has unmanned module!!!

Aeralis unveils common core fuselage design for modular aircraft family

UK developer Aeralis has unveiled the common core fuselage design that will be at the heart of its modular family of military aircraft, with the structure on display at the DIMDEX exhibition in Doha, Qatar.

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AERALIS Unveils First Variants of Light Jet Aircraft

The new light jet aircraft will have a first-of-its-kind wing architecture consisting of an inner wing and an outer wing to ensure manoeuvrability at both low and high speeds – giving the aircraft transonic capability.

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I want baby Hürjets

I quit....

 

[dBSPL]

The tweet was deleted. We should, maybe, not read too much into it. I watched some of the interview. I guess the poster of the tweet has paraphrased Güler's words "Yapıcaz. Yapıcaz." at 17:03 in the video(I timestamped it).

The defense minister says in part of the interview that they will acquire additional A400Ms. (26:30)

 

[Kartal1]

Minister of National Defense Yasar Guler announced that there may be additional A400M transport aircraft procurement for the Turkish Air Force.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786109886352261625

 

[Khagan1923]

Minister of National Defense Yasar Guler announced that there may be additional A400M transport aircraft procurement for the Turkish Air Force.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786109886352261625

Not enough. C-160 and C-130 are at retirement age. They both need to be replaced by a new aircraft as well as further orders for A400M.

Our Logistic and Transport Wing is lacking immensely.

We need C-130J/C-390 AND further A400M.

What we actually need are C-17s but that train is long gone.

 

[BaburKhan]

Not enough. C-160 and C-130 are at retirement age. They both need to be replaced by a new aircraft as well as further orders for A400M.

Our Logistic and Transport Wing is lacking immensely.

We need C-130J/C-390 AND further A400M.

What we actually need are C-17s but that train is long gone.

I doubt the US would deliver to US C-17, also important are the Airbus A-330 MRTT.

 

[dBSPL]

Could be talks for approximately 30-40 military aircraft, including for MRTT conversion kits, additional A400Ms and perhaps even long-range MPA and AEWs. These are already in the scope of needs, some urgent and some medium term. If you add THY's mega purchase to this, there seems to be significant leverage both to multiply the industrial participation in the Airbus ecosystem and to attract RR to an special investment here. I hope we will use it.

 

[I_Love_F16]

I doubt the US would deliver to US C-17, also important are the Airbus A-330 MRTT.

C-17 aren’t produced anymore if I’m not mistaken.

 

[BaburKhan]

C-17 aren’t produced anymore if I’m not mistaken.

I know for Sure they are not produced anymore

 

[what]

Its good to hear, that logistic needs are finally addressed.

 

[valarmogu]

Minister of National Defense Yasar Güler announced that additional Airbus A400Ms can be supplied to the Turkish Air Force.

The A400M fleet, consisting of 10 aircraft in the Turkish Air Force fleet, has completed more than 15,000 flight hours.

Türkiye also became a partner in the Airbus A400M Atlas program in 2003. A400M is an OCCAR (Organization for Joint Armament Cooperation) project. Türkiye is not a member of OCCAR, but is a project partner country.

Although it was planned to purchase 26 aircraft for the Turkish Air Force in 2003, the final procurement amount was determined as 10 aircraft and within this framework, a contract worth 1.496 billion euros was signed.

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri ; Ek Airbus A400M Nakliye Uçağı Tedarik Edebilir! - ULU Savunma

Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Milli Savunma Bakanı, Türk Hava Kuvvetleri için ek Airbus A400M tedarik edilebileceğini açıkladı...

www.ulusavunma.com

 

[CAN_TR]

When there are talks about the Eurofighter Typhoon and now interest for more A400M let's add couple A330MRTT to complete the bundle.

Note: As far as i remember there were plans that ASFAT on behalf of MSB will pick 7 Airbus A330-200 with the lowest flight hours from THY's inventory and turn them into tanker aircraft (MRTT) with assitance of Airbus. It was expected that the works will be carried out in the 2nd Air Supply and Maintenance Center (Kayseri).

The 2nd Air Supply and Maintenance Center was previously also known as TOMTAS. After all those orders for commercial aircrafts, modernization/maintenance agreements with Airbus and national aerospace programms we can expect that most of the structural manufacturing will take place in Kayseri, this also explains why TUSAS and ASFAT decided to revive TOMTAS.