TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Khagan1923]

Minister of National Defense Yasar Guler announced that there may be additional A400M transport aircraft procurement for the Turkish Air Force.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786109886352261625

Not enough. C-160 and C-130 are at retirement age. They both need to be replaced by a new aircraft as well as further orders for A400M.

Our Logistic and Transport Wing is lacking immensely.

We need C-130J/C-390 AND further A400M.

What we actually need are C-17s but that train is long gone.

 

[BaburKhan]

Not enough. C-160 and C-130 are at retirement age. They both need to be replaced by a new aircraft as well as further orders for A400M.

Our Logistic and Transport Wing is lacking immensely.

We need C-130J/C-390 AND further A400M.

What we actually need are C-17s but that train is long gone.

I doubt the US would deliver to US C-17, also important are the Airbus A-330 MRTT.

 

[dBSPL]

Could be talks for approximately 30-40 military aircraft, including for MRTT conversion kits, additional A400Ms and perhaps even long-range MPA and AEWs. These are already in the scope of needs, some urgent and some medium term. If you add THY's mega purchase to this, there seems to be significant leverage both to multiply the industrial participation in the Airbus ecosystem and to attract RR to an special investment here. I hope we will use it.

 

[I_Love_F16]

I doubt the US would deliver to US C-17, also important are the Airbus A-330 MRTT.

C-17 aren’t produced anymore if I’m not mistaken.

 

[BaburKhan]

C-17 aren’t produced anymore if I’m not mistaken.

I know for Sure they are not produced anymore

 

[what]

Its good to hear, that logistic needs are finally addressed.

 

[valarmogu]

Minister of National Defense Yasar Güler announced that additional Airbus A400Ms can be supplied to the Turkish Air Force.

The A400M fleet, consisting of 10 aircraft in the Turkish Air Force fleet, has completed more than 15,000 flight hours.

Türkiye also became a partner in the Airbus A400M Atlas program in 2003. A400M is an OCCAR (Organization for Joint Armament Cooperation) project. Türkiye is not a member of OCCAR, but is a project partner country.

Although it was planned to purchase 26 aircraft for the Turkish Air Force in 2003, the final procurement amount was determined as 10 aircraft and within this framework, a contract worth 1.496 billion euros was signed.

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Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Milli Savunma Bakanlığı, Türk Hava Kuvvetleri için ilave Airbus A400M tedarik edilebileceğini açıkladı...

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[CAN_TR]

When there are talks about the Eurofighter Typhoon and now interest for more A400M let's add couple A330MRTT to complete the bundle.

Note: As far as i remember there were plans that ASFAT on behalf of MSB will pick 7 Airbus A330-200 with the lowest flight hours from THY's inventory and turn them into tanker aircraft (MRTT) with assitance of Airbus. It was expected that the works will be carried out in the 2nd Air Supply and Maintenance Center (Kayseri).

The 2nd Air Supply and Maintenance Center was previously also known as TOMTAS. After all those orders for commercial aircrafts, modernization/maintenance agreements with Airbus and national aerospace programms we can expect that most of the structural manufacturing will take place in Kayseri, this also explains why TUSAS and ASFAT decided to revive TOMTAS.

 

[BaburKhan]

In 2026 Turkey will recieve the first Stand Off Jammer which can Attack enemy Communication and Radar Systems, without using Weapons.

Telegram: Contact @sanayisavunmatrx

t.me

 

[Rodeo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795141299462422816

 

[uçuyorum]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795141299462422816

First new viper that is?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

One question: only the F-16 Block 50/50+ will be upgraded to Block 70, the remaining F-16 Block 30/40 will get the Özgür package, the equivalent of Block 70, right?
40 New F-16 Block 70 Aircrafts
79 Block 70 Upgrade Kits, how many Block 50/50+ have we totally?

 

[Saithan]

One question: only the F-16 Block 50/50+ will be upgraded to Block 70, the remaining F-16 Block 30/40 will get the Özgür package, the equivalent of Block 70, right?
40 New F-16 Block 70 Aircrafts
79 Block 70 Upgrade Kits, how many Block 50/50+ have we totally?

I don’t think comparing özgür upgrade to block 70 is right.

 

[TheInsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795141299462422816

I told you. Upgrade kits might be delivered earlier but the calendar is problematic. Why should I get any F-16 when there are ongoing Özgür modernization and advanced UCAV projects and we will get the delivery of the first 20 block 10 KAAN in 2028. Half of 2024 passed and no contract signature is on the horizon.

 

[Ahlatshah]

I don’t think comparing özgür upgrade to block 70 is right.

Nope, Ozgur and B70 very well be comparable, not now of course but in the very near future. It all comes down performance of the Murad radar. If Murad is as good as advertised it becomes, ozgür will be even more useful for us than B70.

Then why not we upgrade all our f16s to özgür? We simply dont have the source codes of other f16s. We need permission from US and LM for necessary kits and source codes for our B40 and B50. We can not go ahead and upgrade other F16s unless we burn the bridges with them. Also it would be very difficult and time consuming task.

 

[Rodeo]

Nope, Ozgur and B70 very well be comparable, not now of course but in the very near future. It all comes down performance of the Murad radar. If Murad is as good as advertised it becomes, ozgür will be even more useful for us than B70.

Then why not we upgrade all our f16s to özgür? We simply dont have the source codes of other f16s. We need permission from US and LM for necessary kits and source codes for our B40 and B50. We can not go ahead and upgrade other F16s unless we burn the bridges with them. Also it would be very difficult and time consuming task.

why do we need the source codes?

 

[Saithan]

We have a saying in turkish.

bol osturakli göte arpa ekmek bahane…

just came to my mind when I read ppl comment.

well I just want to point out that ppl are relying and comparing fatamorgana vs. Reality.

 

[Afif]

why do we need the source codes?

Yes. When you replacing the central computer all together why need source codes?

What I understood is having the source basically means the right to modification and customization. You keep the computer and change other things or you change everything all together. It really doesn't matter when you have the source code already, there is nothing extra you could compromise at that point.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Nope, Ozgur and B70 very well be comparable, not now of course but in the very near future. It all comes down performance of the Murad radar. If Murad is as good as advertised it becomes, ozgür will be even more useful for us than B70.

Then why not we upgrade all our f16s to özgür? We simply dont have the source codes of other f16s. We need permission from US and LM for necessary kits and source codes for our B40 and B50. We can not go ahead and upgrade other F16s unless we burn the bridges with them. Also it would be very difficult and time consuming task.

Wasn't there talk of upgrading Block 30 & 40 in Project Özgür I & II? Perhaps the source code of Block 30 is similar to that of Block 40 to enable a jailbreak.

 

[Rodeo]

Yes. When you replacing the central computer all together why need source codes?

What I understood is having the source is basically means the right to modification and customization. You keep the computer and change other things or you change everything all together. It really doesn't matter when you have the source code already, there is nothing extra you could compromise at that point.

Aselsan is replacing the mission computers of Block30 aircraft. When you have your mission computer on the aircraft you have a complete command on the mission systems. We're not touching the flight computers. That would require us to teach the aircraft how to fly from the beginning. And since these two computers do not communicate with each other, we need no interface between the two. In essence, no need for the source codes.

This is the technical dimension of the matter. The legal aspects of these modifications are up for discussion.