Navy Turkish Aircraft Carrier Project

[Balamir]

1. First, 3-8 ADA class corvette's tender was canceled. (Ask Google wondering how it was canceled)

Dev ihalelerden ilkini RMK Marine kazandı - MarineDeal News

Savunma Sanayii Müsteşarlığı’nda 5 saat süren toplantı sonrası füze savunma sistemi ve uçak gemisi ihalelerinin ertelendiği açıklanırken, MİLGEM Projesi kapsamında seri üretime geçilecek 6 yeni gemi projesinin ihalesini RMK Marine tersanesinin kazandığı açıklandı Başbakan Erdoğan başkanlığında...

www.marinedealnews.com

Koç'un kazandığı ihale iptal

Başbakan Erdoğan Başkanlığı'nda toplanan Savunma Sanayi İcra Komitesi'nde alınan kararlarla, Koç’un kazandığı MİLGEM ihalesinin iptal edildiği resmileşti. 3. ve 4. gemi de Pendik Askeri Tersanesi’nde yapılacak.

www.dunya.com

Milyarlık ihalede saf dışı kaldı

HAVUZLU Çıkarma Gemisi (LPD) ihalesini Sedef Tersanesi kazandı. Savunma Sanayi İcra Komitesi’nin dün aldığı karar kapsamında Sedef Gemi İnşaatı A.Ş. ile...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

2. RMK Marine's LPD design is its own. It has received outside consultancy support in some areas.
3. The public benefit bid of RMK, which was clearly the winner in the LPD tender, was rejected and Sedef, who made the most expensive bid, won.

Havuzlu çıkarma gemisi ihalesi Koç’tan Sedef’e!

.

www.gazetevatan.com

4. The tender was concluded so quickly that after the sale of this ship, which had not much experience in the inventory only by Spain and Australia, the Spaniards started to play like a bear with honey in its mouth.

İspanya'da Türk Havuzlu Çıkartma Gemisi Sevinci

İspanya'da milyarlık Havuzlu Çıkarma Gemisi (LPD) ihalesi sevinç yarattı.

www.haberler.com

5. What happened next? When was the last time Otokar (Koç) signed an armored vehicle contract? My memory entered the URAL inventory in 2014 and the Cobra-2, just like 2014-2015. However, their contracts had been signed before. Chances of cancellation were slim. Because in the summer of 2015, the PKK started trench attacks. There was a shortage of armored vehicles.
6. The Altay tank tender was awarded to BMC together with its chief engineers. BMC, which has no factory and no ability to manufacture tracked vehicles. The tender has been extended several times. At that time, Germany did not impose an engine embargo. If everything was done for the public good, NATIONAL and DOMESTIC, mass production ALTAY tanks were now on the field.
6. Even in the 8x8 TTZA tender, the rumor that BMC was waiting was spread. Otokar, who bid for the tender, could not win again. FNSS got worried for a while. However, I think the tender was finalized in line with the demands of the needs authority and FNSS won.
7. After the 8x8 TTZA that BMC recently introduced, FNSS's job is also difficult.

There is a lot to write about but "it is thought to be entering politics and it is being erased". I don't want to leave the subject, but I had to write these. These tenders will come to court someday anyway.

If my time was not short now, I would look at the archive and explain it in more detail. This is a comprehensive topic to be discussed in another topic and is an example of the deep-rooted "what I call winnings is not in the public interest" problem in the defense industry.

 

[mulj]

Fair, but my point is Turkish economy simply cant sustain any more lavish projects, the ressources are scarce and must be used wisely, i see that AC project as nothing but a prestije object, a very expensive one.
Meanwhile there are many places where those funds could be more useful but no investment is being done because the money is missing.

Man, i get that from todays perspective but still disagree, your inudstry is pumping up as we speak, lot of novelties introduced in last decade, that will be monetized in your favour, toourism will recover to, your economy in this covid time showed strange vitality, i am sure that aftrr the pandemic if everything remain normal with west, ecoomy will not be issue for such a project. Lot of you think that you will buiid this carrier for turkey only but i see it in similar perspective as milgem, milden, tfx, altay projects..., that will be crown of your defence industry project amd something that will actually help economy in long term troough enhanced diplomacy over the seas, during the war in bosnia when the news come that the 6st fleet entered adriatic it was like some beacon of hope, there will be always situations in world like that one or similiar, simpy that kind of asset elevate you on world scene.

 

[Nilgiri]

1. First, 3-8 ADA class corvette's tender was canceled. (Ask Google wondering how it was canceled)

Dev ihalelerden ilkini RMK Marine kazandı - MarineDeal News

Savunma Sanayii Müsteşarlığı’nda 5 saat süren toplantı sonrası füze savunma sistemi ve uçak gemisi ihalelerinin ertelendiği açıklanırken, MİLGEM Projesi kapsamında seri üretime geçilecek 6 yeni gemi projesinin ihalesini RMK Marine tersanesinin kazandığı açıklandı Başbakan Erdoğan başkanlığında...

www.marinedealnews.com

Koç'un kazandığı ihale iptal

Başbakan Erdoğan Başkanlığı'nda toplanan Savunma Sanayi İcra Komitesi'nde alınan kararlarla, Koç’un kazandığı MİLGEM ihalesinin iptal edildiği resmileşti. 3. ve 4. gemi de Pendik Askeri Tersanesi’nde yapılacak.

www.dunya.com

Milyarlık ihalede saf dışı kaldı

HAVUZLU Çıkarma Gemisi (LPD) ihalesini Sedef Tersanesi kazandı. Savunma Sanayi İcra Komitesi’nin dün aldığı karar kapsamında Sedef Gemi İnşaatı A.Ş. ile...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

2. RMK Marine's LPD design is its own. It has received outside consultancy support in some areas.
3. The public benefit bid of RMK, which was clearly the winner in the LPD tender, was rejected and Sedef, who made the most expensive bid, won.

Havuzlu çıkarma gemisi ihalesi Koç’tan Sedef’e!

.

www.gazetevatan.com

4. The tender was concluded so quickly that after the sale of this ship, which had not much experience in the inventory only by Spain and Australia, the Spaniards started to play like a bear with honey in its mouth.

İspanya'da Türk Havuzlu Çıkartma Gemisi Sevinci

İspanya'da milyarlık Havuzlu Çıkarma Gemisi (LPD) ihalesi sevinç yarattı.

www.haberler.com

5. What happened next? When was the last time Otokar (Koç) signed an armored vehicle contract? My memory entered the URAL inventory in 2014 and the Cobra-2, just like 2014-2015. However, their contracts had been signed before. Chances of cancellation were slim. Because in the summer of 2015, the PKK started trench attacks. There was a shortage of armored vehicles.
6. The Altay tank tender was awarded to BMC together with its chief engineers. BMC, which has no factory and no ability to manufacture tracked vehicles. The tender has been extended several times. At that time, Germany did not impose an engine embargo. If everything was done for the public good, NATIONAL and DOMESTIC, mass production ALTAY tanks were now on the field.
6. Even in the 8x8 TTZA tender, the rumor that BMC was waiting was spread. Otokar, who bid for the tender, could not win again. FNSS got worried for a while. However, I think the tender was finalized in line with the demands of the needs authority and FNSS won.
7. After the 8x8 TTZA that BMC recently introduced, FNSS's job is also difficult.

There is a lot to write about but "it is thought to be entering politics and it is being erased". I don't want to leave the subject, but I had to write these. These tenders will come to court someday anyway.

If my time was not short now, I would look at the archive and explain it in more detail. This is a comprehensive topic to be discussed in another topic and is an example of the deep-rooted "what I call winnings is not in the public interest" problem in the defense industry.

Is there good concrete thread here with say Turkish white paper on the navy strategy up to say 2030, 2040 and 2050?

Like what is the strategy going to involve and would aircraft carrier really fit in it compared to more frigates, corvettes and submarines etc (as far as ships go)? (This was part of my bigger reply earlier).

Or maybe a well-versed member can give me brief outline on this as they see it...

@anmdt et al.

 

[the]

I can't find the right thread for it. I thought they were rescued based on the photos, but it looks like the pirates are still holding some of the sailors as hostages.

No word from pirates who seized sailors off Nigeria, Turkey says

Pirates who seized 15 sailors when they stormed a Turkish-crewed container ship in the Gulf of Guinea two days ago have not yet made contact with authorities, Turkey's foreign minister said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Anmdt]

1. First, 3-8 ADA class corvette's tender was canceled. (Ask Google wondering how it was canceled)

Dev ihalelerden ilkini RMK Marine kazandı - MarineDeal News

Savunma Sanayii Müsteşarlığı’nda 5 saat süren toplantı sonrası füze savunma sistemi ve uçak gemisi ihalelerinin ertelendiği açıklanırken, MİLGEM Projesi kapsamında seri üretime geçilecek 6 yeni gemi projesinin ihalesini RMK Marine tersanesinin kazandığı açıklandı Başbakan Erdoğan başkanlığında...

www.marinedealnews.com

Koç'un kazandığı ihale iptal

Başbakan Erdoğan Başkanlığı'nda toplanan Savunma Sanayi İcra Komitesi'nde alınan kararlarla, Koç’un kazandığı MİLGEM ihalesinin iptal edildiği resmileşti. 3. ve 4. gemi de Pendik Askeri Tersanesi’nde yapılacak.

www.dunya.com

Milyarlık ihalede saf dışı kaldı

HAVUZLU Çıkarma Gemisi (LPD) ihalesini Sedef Tersanesi kazandı. Savunma Sanayi İcra Komitesi’nin dün aldığı karar kapsamında Sedef Gemi İnşaatı A.Ş. ile...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

2. RMK Marine's LPD design is its own. It has received outside consultancy support in some areas.
3. The public benefit bid of RMK, which was clearly the winner in the LPD tender, was rejected and Sedef, who made the most expensive bid, won.

Havuzlu çıkarma gemisi ihalesi Koç’tan Sedef’e!

.

www.gazetevatan.com

4. The tender was concluded so quickly that after the sale of this ship, which had not much experience in the inventory only by Spain and Australia, the Spaniards started to play like a bear with honey in its mouth.

İspanya'da Türk Havuzlu Çıkartma Gemisi Sevinci

İspanya'da milyarlık Havuzlu Çıkarma Gemisi (LPD) ihalesi sevinç yarattı.

www.haberler.com

5. What happened next? When was the last time Otokar (Koç) signed an armored vehicle contract? My memory entered the URAL inventory in 2014 and the Cobra-2, just like 2014-2015. However, their contracts had been signed before. Chances of cancellation were slim. Because in the summer of 2015, the PKK started trench attacks. There was a shortage of armored vehicles.
6. The Altay tank tender was awarded to BMC together with its chief engineers. BMC, which has no factory and no ability to manufacture tracked vehicles. The tender has been extended several times. At that time, Germany did not impose an engine embargo. If everything was done for the public good, NATIONAL and DOMESTIC, mass production ALTAY tanks were now on the field.
6. Even in the 8x8 TTZA tender, the rumor that BMC was waiting was spread. Otokar, who bid for the tender, could not win again. FNSS got worried for a while. However, I think the tender was finalized in line with the demands of the needs authority and FNSS won.
7. After the 8x8 TTZA that BMC recently introduced, FNSS's job is also difficult.

There is a lot to write about but "it is thought to be entering politics and it is being erased". I don't want to leave the subject, but I had to write these. These tenders will come to court someday anyway.

If my time was not short now, I would look at the archive and explain it in more detail. This is a comprehensive topic to be discussed in another topic and is an example of the deep-rooted "what I call winnings is not in the public interest" problem in the defense industry.

RMK's LPD design had assistance from UK. Nobody would deny that. It is not a guess, i am just telling, it had major assistance yet still it was much more promising than Sedef's in terms of domestic contribution. And it would fruit in people who had known how to design an LHD-LPD, unlike Sedef, who just has imported a design.

RMK didn't won LPD tender, just it have made the lowest bid and wasn't selected despite of giving a much lower bid. (later the low bid alibi was utilized in Tank project in favor of BMC against Koc)

While in LPD project another alibi was made for awarding project a more expensive bid, claiming ability-capability of a shipyard (thus, here referring to Navantia) matters.

Also, RfP has changed several times while nearing to the completion, not on paper but verbally some people started to request a ski-jump(thus stovl jets) which wasn't included earlier and Sedef has became the only candidate.

 

[Anmdt]

Is there good concrete thread here with say Turkish white paper on the navy strategy up to say 2030, 2040 and 2050?

Like what is the strategy going to involve and would aircraft carrier really fit in it compared to more frigates, corvettes and submarines etc (as far as ships go)? (This was part of my bigger reply earlier).

Or maybe a well-versed member can give me brief outline on this as they see it...

@anmdt et al.

It has shaped in 1990 and it was updated after 2010 i might say, there might be actually one road map but it doesn't include an aircraft carrier solid.
The aircraft carrier is a desire, which Admirals wouldn't reject once offered by government and awarded a budget to operate it.
The actual roadmap is modernization of systems with locally designed systems and having an AAW frigate(destroyer) with blue water navy capabilities with extended amphibious operations (LPD project)
Meanwhile on the other side keeping security of territorial waters with smaller patrol boats and FACs.
The LPD project has started in 90s aiming extended amphibious capabilities, along with LCT for short to medium range, and LST. Initially the project or rather the class was called Levent. 2-3 ships would be procured.
Later evolved into a 2 but larger vessel, and later even larger but a single vessel in LHD class with a flat top.
The aircraft carrier is a desire but i doubt if it still had got a place in roadmap before completion of maturization of other projects.

 

[Balamir]

Is there good concrete thread here with say Turkish white paper on the navy strategy up to say 2030, 2040 and 2050?

Like what is the strategy going to involve and would aircraft carrier really fit in it compared to more frigates, corvettes and submarines etc (as far as ships go)? (This was part of my bigger reply earlier).

Or maybe a well-versed member can give me brief outline on this as they see it...

@anmdt et al.

From the strategy text announced by the Turkish Naval Forces:

“In the short term (0-5 years): Island Class Corvettes, Turkish Type Assault Boats, Logistics Support Vessels, Amphibious Ships (LST), Submarine Rescue Mother Ship, Rescue Towing Vessels, Research Ship, General Purpose Helicopters, Naval Patrol Aircrafts, Unmanned Air Vehicles and Unmanned / Autonomous Underwater Vehicles.
In the medium term (6-10 years): "I" Class Frigates, Air Defense Warfare Frigates, Pooled Landing Ship (LPD / LHD), Combat Support Ship, Next Generation Mine Hunting Ships and Air Independent Propulsion Submarines.
In the long term (11-20 years): The number of sea control, force protection and power transmission platforms will be increased. "

If it is necessary to contact those directly related to the Turkish Naval Forces, these are; Akya Heavy Torpedo, Atmaca Anti-Ship Missile, Gökdeniz Close Air Defense System, Temren Air-to-Ship Missile, Advent Combat Management System. The aforementioned projects are projects that have already been delivered or have reached the testing stage and can have a multiplier effect on the operational capabilities of the Turkish Naval Forces. Considering all these, the Turkish Naval Forces is taking firm steps towards becoming a "Medium-sized Navy with Global Power Transmission Capability".

This is all empty words. Everything happened with the protesters taking shelter in Koç's hotel during the Gezi protests and Koç is being punished for supporting the demonstrators. However, it still does not collapse. It stands tall as the most exporting company in armored vehicles.

One day, the LPD tender, the MİLGEM tender, and the BMC's tank pallet factory incidents will be the subject of investigation. Then you learn the facts, if you are looking for the truth.

 

[Balamir]

RMK's LPD design had assistance from UK. Nobody would deny that. It is not a guess, i am just telling, it had major assistance yet still it was much more promising than Sedef's in terms of domestic contribution. And it would fruit in people who had known how to design an LHD-LPD, unlike Sedef, who just has imported a design.

RMK didn't won LPD tender, just it have made the lowest bid and wasn't selected despite of giving a much lower bid. (later the low bid alibi was utilized in Tank project in favor of BMC against Koc)

While in LPD project another alibi was made for awarding project a more expensive bid, claiming ability-capability of a shipyard (thus, here referring to Navantia) matters.

Also, RfP has changed several times while nearing to the completion, not on paper but verbally some people started to request a ski-jump(thus stovl jets) which wasn't included earlier and Sedef has became the only candidate.

1. Sedef doesn't even have the ability to design medium sized warships, not LPDs.
2. RMK's design is obvious. He has some external design support, but his IP rights. With this project, it is the only Turkish shipyard that can design LPD in the private sector.
Otokar, the only Turkish company capable of developing tanks in the 3rd Altay tank project, was suspended. The tender has been extended several times. BMC was expected to establish a factory and say "I am ready". It wasn't enough. A large amount of incentives was given to BMC. When the dollar skyrocketed, BMC said I can't. Later, the tank pallet factory, where the state produced its own howitzer, was given to BMC very cheaply. It wasn't enough. BMC could not do it again. Moreover, experienced engineers who worked at Otokar in the Altay tank were stolen by various methods and included in the BMC.

As a result, the Altay tank project was killed with serious damage and several delays. This project is dead if Germany does not provide the engine and transmission. S. Korea was only able to build the engine. So it's not a solution.

Our only expectation from BMC, which cannot go beyond producing copies of Israeli vehicles despite all the support, is to produce useful trucks.

With enormous damage, the LPD project resulted in the production of a replica of the Spanish ship, a project without experience. Everything would be DOMESTIC and NATIONAL. In the defense industry, the interests of relatives and legal interests sometimes come before the interests of the nation. These two projects are examples of this.

There is no need to tell about the 8-ship MİLGEM project, which has been going on for years.

 

[adenl]

Sigh, people keep regurgitating the same old refuted 'arguments' of why things didn't go the way it should've in a perfect world. Guess what, after istemezükcüler (don't wanters), Turkey also suffers from mükemmeliyetçiler (perfectionists)

 

[Balamir]

There is a more bitter truth that the MİLGEM tender was canceled with a notice written to Metin Kalkavan, the owner of Sedef, who had never applied for the tender, stating that the tender was not made by competition. Who is Metin Kalkavan? "The worker should know that he can die," says the shipyard owner. In front of them it was in Turkey's 2013-2014 year. Everyone who holds the age knows.

As I said, this is a topic to be discussed in a new topic. Maybe I'll publish a comprehensive article in this forum in the future.

 

[adenl]

There is a more bitter truth that the MİLGEM tender was canceled with a notice written to Metin Kalkavan, the owner of Sedef, who had never applied for the tender, stating that the tender was not made by competition. Who is Metin Kalkavan? "The worker should know that he can die," says the shipyard owner. In front of them it was in Turkey's 2013-2014 year. Everyone who holds the age knows.

As I said, this is a topic to be discussed in a new topic. Maybe I'll publish a comprehensive article in this forum in the future.

Is that article going to be in English?

 

[Balamir]

Is that article going to be in English?

My knowledge of English is not enough. I'm using google translate.

 

[adenl]

My knowledge of English is not enough. I'm using google translate.

You should improve you English first, because while your posts are long and contains lots of interesting information, your English is not up to the level for others to fully understand it.

 

[Anmdt]

1. Sedef doesn't even have the ability to design medium sized warships, not LPDs.
2. RMK's design is obvious. He has some external design support, but his IP rights. With this project, it is the only Turkish shipyard that can design LPD in the private sector.
Otokar, the only Turkish company capable of developing tanks in the 3rd Altay tank project, was suspended. The tender has been extended several times. BMC was expected to establish a factory and say "I am ready". It wasn't enough. A large amount of incentives was given to BMC. When the dollar skyrocketed, BMC said I can't. Later, the tank pallet factory, where the state produced its own howitzer, was given to BMC very cheaply. It wasn't enough. BMC could not do it again. Moreover, experienced engineers who worked at Otokar in the Altay tank were stolen by various methods and included in the BMC.

As a result, the Altay tank project was killed with serious damage and several delays. This project is dead if Germany does not provide the engine and transmission. S. Korea was only able to build the engine. So it's not a solution.

Our only expectation from BMC, which cannot go beyond producing copies of Israeli vehicles despite all the support, is to produce useful trucks.

With enormous damage, the LPD project resulted in the production of a replica of the Spanish ship, a project without experience. Everything would be DOMESTIC and NATIONAL. In the defense industry, the interests of relatives and legal interests sometimes come before the interests of the nation. These two projects are examples of this.

There is no need to tell about the 8-ship MİLGEM project, which has been going on for years.

We are telling the same thing why do you seek for an endless discussion, I wonder.
Neither RMK had an experience on LPD kind ships nor any other shipyard, the best candidate was ADIK and they were not interested in LPD project.
It was RMK versus SEDEF, none of these had experience on such kind of a vessel.
RMK's only experience was coast guard vessels which has mainly resembled corvettes in construction and piping cabling.
And RMK had one more promising reason, if they had constructed milgem they were going to export corvettes and opvs to at least 3 more countries. Their bids were not processed due to lack of experience in building. They have attended to tenders more than any other shipyard.
Sedef had one single advantage, the size of dockyard and steel production capacity and automation. Sedef is the only shipyard with partial automation in the construction.
If RMK has won the tender we would have engineers with a knowledge on LHD design, and it would be more rational to talk about an aircraft carrier. I dont care much about the IP rights since it had less export chances, such a platform is niche but it could have been a boost in know-how.
It is not the damage, whomever has built the ship it would have to fit the requests and certification, there is no loss in terms of ship's capabilities or capabilities to be gained by Turkish Navy. There are losses in terms of being able to design, ToT and know-how.
RMK has known for sure, once Milgem was awarded to them. It was impossible for them to win LPD tender, later the Milgem project was cancelled due to political reasons and actually after RMK has received technical documents.

 

[Anmdt]

There is a more bitter truth that the MİLGEM tender was canceled with a notice written to Metin Kalkavan, the owner of Sedef, who had never applied for the tender, stating that the tender was not made by competition. Who is Metin Kalkavan? "The worker should know that he can die," says the shipyard owner. In front of them it was in Turkey's 2013-2014 year. Everyone who holds the age knows.

As I said, this is a topic to be discussed in a new topic. Maybe I'll publish a comprehensive article in this forum in the future.

Actually, SSB ( not as an instution but some personnel or top officials) had some negotiations with Sedef to send that notification so that the tender can be cancelled smoothly. Otherwise SSB would have to pay remedies to RMK
Later RMK has dissolved its steel construction department and R&D team realizing it has no future to grab on.
We have lost such a capability and only shipyard. After Adik and istanbul shipyard who had invested in R&D moreover only shipyard to have a decent R&D team in design office.

 

[Balamir]

You should improve you English first, because while your posts are long and contains lots of interesting information, your English is not up to the level for others to fully understand it.

I'm aware so I'll keep it short. In fact, I think to write very rarely. Although my knowledge of English is not sufficient, I can see that the number of users with good English experience is very low. I'm sure many people use google translate like me.

 

[Balamir]

Actually, SSB ( not as an instution but some personnel or top officials) had some negotiations with Sedef to send that notification so that the tender can be cancelled smoothly. Otherwise SSB would have to pay remedies to RMK
Later RMK has dissolved its steel construction department and R&D team realizing it has no future to grab on.
We have lost such a capability and only shipyard. After Adik and istanbul shipyard who had invested in R&D moreover only shipyard to have a decent R&D team in design office.

Dude, you live in Turkey. None of what you said is true. The tender was canceled by phone call between Erdoğan and Kalkavan.

 

[Indos]

Better spend the money for jet engine development.

 

[Balamir]

We are telling the same thing why do you seek for an endless discussion, I wonder.
Neither RMK had an experience on LPD kind ships nor any other shipyard, the best candidate was ADIK and they were not interested in LPD project.
It was RMK versus SEDEF, none of these had experience on such kind of a vessel.
RMK's only experience was coast guard vessels which has mainly resembled corvettes in construction and piping cabling.
And RMK had one more promising reason, if they had constructed milgem they were going to export corvettes and opvs to at least 3 more countries. Their bids were not processed due to lack of experience in building. They have attended to tenders more than any other shipyard.
Sedef had one single advantage, the size of dockyard and steel production capacity and automation. Sedef is the only shipyard with partial automation in the construction.
If RMK has won the tender we would have engineers with a knowledge on LHD design, and it would be more rational to talk about an aircraft carrier. I dont care much about the IP rights since it had less export chances, such a platform is niche but it could have been a boost in know-how.
It is not the damage, whomever has built the ship it would have to fit the requests and certification, there is no loss in terms of ship's capabilities or capabilities to be gained by Turkish Navy. There are losses in terms of being able to design, ToT and know-how.
RMK has known for sure, once Milgem was awarded to them. It was impossible for them to win LPD tender, later the Milgem project was cancelled due to political reasons and actually after RMK has received technical documents.

If RMK has no experience, then how does MİLGEM take an important project like its corvette? If RMK has no experience, did SEDEF have? Dude since the beginning of 2000, Turkey would follow the policy. My memory never forgets some things. If the tension of the Gezi protests did not exist, we would be talking about RMK's MİLGEMs and LPD today. You would be not enumerating all these SEDEF arguments.

 

[Indos]

I would rather see it as a pressure from NATO, all NATO powers must have aircraft carrier according to USA. What for ? South China Sea is the contested front now.