Navy Turkish Aircraft Carrier Project

[Zafer]

You don't need a source for that. We know that the initial planes will be 4.5+ generation and the 5th generation will come after that. All characterized by twin engine and stealth body. Other features will differ somewhat. Among the differences should be a naval capable version. I would guess perhaps 5 versions from single to double seating and to export variant and such. This is what is logical.

 

[Sinan]

You don't need a source for that. We know that the initial planes will be 4.5+ generation and the 5th generation will come after that. All characterized by twin engine and stealth body. Other features will differ somewhat. Among the differences should be a naval capable version. I would guess perhaps 5 versions from single to double seating and to export variant and such. This is what is logical.

Everybody can make up stuff. If you are claiming something like, back it up with sources or else it is just your fantasy.

More over, you are misinforming everybody that reads this forum by false claims.

 

[Yasar_TR]

There is no written confirmation that there will be a family of different TFX planes. It is pure speculation and conjecture at this stage. There is one TFX at the moment that is being developed as a prototype. This prototype and It’s first body part manufacturing should start any time now if it hasn’t already started.
The engines to be used in this prototype are the twin f110 GE engines of F15.
The plane as it seems will go through a lot of changes over the following decade. In 2023 we should see first plane with engines. 2025/26 it should start flying. 2027-29 there should be an indigenous engine available.
The airforce urgently needs fighter jets. So a 4++ generation TFX will probably be the first planes flown by the TuAF, with probably f110 engines, provided we can buy them. That is if the indigenous engine is not ready. After 2030 a fully fledged stealth TFX will probably be joining the 4++ initial batch.
However, if RR is included in to the program, we may see a 5th generation TFX by 2025/26 or not long after.
If all goes according to plan, it will be mid 2030’s before squadrons are formed. (2029 is the start of 4++ batch production. This should be around 10-12 per year for the first year then gradually reaching 12-18 per year after 2 years. Just look at the production speed of Atak t-129.) So to have 2-3 squadrons will take us in to 2033-34. The plane will keep evolving as time passes. So it is natural to assume it will be produced in blocks.
Once the airforce’s initial needs are met, then we can look at other versions of the plane.

 

[Ardabas34]

It is so amazing to me how developed these weapons are(4.5-5th generation fighter jets) that an entire nation can produce one prototype in 10 years. Not talking about TF-X, F-35 also took an entire western block to produce in similiar time.

 

[what]

It is so amazing to me how developed these weapons are(4.5-5th generation fighter jets) that an entire nation can produce one prototype in 10 years. Not talking about TF-X, F-35 also took an entire western block to produce in similiar time.

Yeah but those guys usually fight for years about who gets to contribute what, who has to finance more and then find a product that will fit the interest of a couple countries. If it was only about technology I'm fairly certain countries such as the UK, Germany, France and Italy can develop their own faster. Remarkable nonetheless.

 

[Zafer]

Everybody can make up stuff. If you are claiming something like, back it up with sources or else it is just your fantasy.

More over, you are misinforming everybody that reads this forum by false claims.

You don't need to be a genius to figure that out.
Now that you seem to be on forums you should already know how things will turn out.
There is absolutely no way that they won't be a family of planes.
Why do you have to be told every single detail when everything is out there.

 

[Ryder]

With airbases on Cyprus and Libya we can reach nearly everything in the Mediterranean, so either Turkey has ambitions for power projection in the Indian Ocean/East Africa or it's just a prestige project.

Turkey has a naval base in Albania while in Somalia its loading and coming soon hopefully.

 

[Zafer]

We need a naval/air base in west Africa, any candidate states?

 

[mulj]

We need a naval/air base in west Africa, any candidate states?

more or less all failed states those that are not are under strong france influence, but possible candidate is gambia

 

[Zafer]

There is no written confirmation that there will be a family of different TFX planes. It is pure speculation and conjecture at this stage. There is one TFX at the moment that is being developed as a prototype. This prototype and It’s first body part manufacturing should start any time now if it hasn’t already started.
The engines to be used in this prototype are the twin f110 GE engines of F15.
The plane as it seems will go through a lot of changes over the following decade. In 2023 we should see first plane with engines. 2025/26 it should start flying. 2027-29 there should be an indigenous engine available.
The airforce urgently needs fighter jets. So a 4++ generation TFX will probably be the first planes flown by the TuAF, with probably f110 engines, provided we can buy them. That is if the indigenous engine is not ready. After 2030 a fully fledged stealth TFX will probably be joining the 4++ initial batch.
However, if RR is included in to the program, we may see a 5th generation TFX by 2025/26 or not long after.
If all goes according to plan, it will be mid 2030’s before squadrons are formed. (2029 is the start of 4++ batch production. This should be around 10-12 per year for the first year then gradually reaching 12-18 per year after 2 years. Just look at the production speed of Atak t-129.) So to have 2-3 squadrons will take us in to 2033-34. The plane will keep evolving as time passes. So it is natural to assume it will be produced in blocks.
Once the airforce’s initial needs are met, then we can look at other versions of the plane.

Every preschool boy and his girlfriend and her pet know that when there is a mother MMU 4++ gen that comes first, a father MMU 5th gen that no one can bully and those that are born from the two it is a family.

 

[Anmdt]

Every preschool boy and his girlfriend and her pet know that when there is a mother MMU 4++ gen that comes first, a father MMU 5th gen that no one can bully and those that are born from the two it is a family.

Let's be realistic, an aircraft carrier is not just a huge ship with a flat deck + carrier capable jet.
In near term, the most viable option is completing navalized utility and attack helicopters, completing amphibious capabilities of an LHD and later moving onto a Carrier with subsystems developed and experience gained through the major projects (MMU /Hurjet /LHD) .
It has happened like that until now, a major project resulted in side products which were applied as new solutions on what is needed.

 

[Sinan]

You don't need to be a genius to figure that out.
Now that you seem to be on forums you should already know how things will turn out.
There is absolutely no way that they won't be a family of planes.
Why do you have to be told every single detail when everything is out there.

Stop spreading false information, please.

If you had said like "This is my idea, ....." than it is okay. But you are trying to spread your ideas as facts while there is no official statement or an inch of an indicator.

 

[Sinan]

Every preschool boy and his girlfriend and her pet know that when there is a mother MMU 4++ gen that comes first, a father MMU 5th gen that no one can bully and those that are born from the two it is a family.

Where is the source for that. Show source.

 

[Zafer]

Let's be realistic, an aircraft carrier is not just a huge ship with a flat deck + carrier capable jet.
In near term, the most viable option is completing navalized utility and attack helicopters, completing amphibious capabilities of an LHD and later moving onto a Carrier with subsystems developed and experience gained through the major projects (MMU /Hurjet /LHD) .
It has happened like that until now, a major project resulted in side products which were applied as new solutions on what is needed.

The LHD is already in the water. The Carrier Ship as I suggest should be in water 8 whole years after today. Isn't it far enough a time-frame to make the things that will go into it happen, I think it is.

 

[Zafer]

You don't need a source for that. We know that the initial planes will be 4.5+ generation and the 5th generation will come after that. All characterized by twin engine and stealth body. Other features will differ somewhat. Among the differences should be a naval capable version. I would guess perhaps 5 versions from single to double seating and to export variant and such. This is what is logical.

Who is saying that officials said it?
Are you expecting members here to just share the news they heard from someone else and not share their own thoughts. That would be stupid for a forum wouldn't it.

With the unmanned versions of some versions of MMU added they would not just be a family of planes but a clan of them. When you can make all the elements of making a plane yourself you can make many variations of it with 90% commonality. It would be stupid to think a plane is one and only and it will just stop there.

Stop downplaying Turkey's capabilities, when we can make one, we can make many.

 

[Anmdt]

The LHD is already in the water. The Carrier Ship as I suggest should be in water 8 whole years after today. Isn't it far enough a time-frame to make the things that will go into it happen, I think it is.

Yes.. already in water.
But how many more years to commission, i personally have seen the progress and the ship is nowhere close to completion yet majority of acceptance tests remain not completed while still there is medium scale steel job, and electronics are not integrated yet.
How many years to gain experience on operating the ship, experience on amphibious operations of such large scale involving TCG Anadolu, at least 2 years with exercises needed here, yet there are another 3-4 years to place attack helicopters on it.
There are things more important than an aircraft carrier built to please a single person and his followers, this is not like i wouldn't want an aircraft carrier but an aircraft carrier is nothing without ships to protect it. Only viable after 2030 -2035 after all major assets have been completed. If we have TF-2000 , TF-100, Milden, i wouldn't object in any way to have an aircraft carrier.
Theoritically all can be done at once but:
Is there sufficient money and manpower, or available capacity and experience in design of such a hull, unless it will procured directly like Anadolu with no know-how gained in design?

It is viable in long term, like milden has been considered from 2010s and realized in 2020s, such a project can be considered after starting construction of first TF-2000,and realized +10 years from then.

 

[Sinan]

Who is saying that officials said it?
Are you expecting members here to just share the news they heard from someone else and not share their own thoughts. That would be stupid for a forum wouldn't it.

With the unmanned versions of some versions of MMU added they would not just be a family of planes but a clan of them. When you can make all the elements of making a plane yourself you can make many variations of it with 90% commonality. It would be stupid to think a plane is one and only and it will just stop there.

Stop downplaying Turkey's capabilities, when we can make one, we can make many.

Bro, for the last time.

Stop spreading false information, please.

If you had said like "This is my idea, ....." than it is okay. But you are trying to spread your ideas as facts while there is no official statement or an inch of an indicator.

Sharing your own thoughts is ofcourse no problem. Of course you are going to share your thoughts and ideas. No one is against that. For many many times we said we have freedom of expression in our forum.

MMU is not just one aeroplane but a family of planes with variations.

^^^However this is not sharing your thoughts.

For the last time, i don't want to warn or ban anybody. I never wanted that but you are giving me no other choice. Please, don't do this.

 

[Zafer]

Bro, for the last time.


Sharing your own thoughts is ofcourse no problem. Of course you are going to share your thoughts and ideas. No one is against that. For many many times we said we have freedom of expression in our forum.

^^^However this is not sharing your thoughts.

For the last time, i don't want to warn or ban anybody. I never wanted that but you are giving me no other choice. Please, don't do this.

Dude, your are inappropriately enforcing the power invested in you.
I will be ignoring you for two weeks.

 

[Zafer]

Yes.. already in water.
But how many more years to commission, i personally have seen the progress and the ship is nowhere close to completion yet majority of acceptance tests remain not completed while still there is medium scale steel job, and electronics are not integrated yet.
How many years to gain experience on operating the ship, experience on amphibious operations of such large scale involving TCG Anadolu, at least 2 years with exercises needed here, yet there are another 3-4 years to place attack helicopters on it.
There are things more important than an aircraft carrier built to please a single person and his followers, this is not like i wouldn't want an aircraft carrier but an aircraft carrier is nothing without ships to protect it. Only viable after 2030 -2035 after all major assets have been completed. If we have TF-2000 , TF-100, Milden, i wouldn't object in any way to have an aircraft carrier.
Theoritically all can be done at once but:
Is there sufficient money and manpower, or available capacity and experience in design of such a hull, unless it will procured directly like Anadolu with no know-how gained in design?

It is viable in long term, like milden has been considered from 2010s and realized in 2020s, such a project can be considered after starting construction of first TF-2000,and realized +10 years from then.

My response post has been deleted and I am not re-posting it.

 

[KKF 2.0]

Bro, for the last time.


Sharing your own thoughts is ofcourse no problem. Of course you are going to share your thoughts and ideas. No one is against that. For many many times we said we have freedom of expression in our forum.

^^^However this is not sharing your thoughts.

For the last time, i don't want to warn or ban anybody. I never wanted that but you are giving me no other choice. Please, don't do this.

Calm down. His statement is factually correct. If MMU becomes reality, the plane will eventually developed further. What's wrong with his posting?