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[UkroTurk]

İf you want to operate your subs under deep water 100 of their operational range , you need nuclear submarines.



Turkish Navy needs mini nuclear submarines. I think it is time to construct 2000 tons nuclear submarines.

For sure we need to create a mini-reactor.

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submarines are expected to be between 2,000 to 4,000 tons, much smaller than traditional nuclear submarines.

A key feature under discussion is the Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) system. AIP allows submarines to operate without the need for atmospheric oxygen, enhancing their stealth and operational efficiency. While conventional submarines with AIP have been successful, they still face limitations in shallow waters due to their noise levels and detectable activity footprints.

In contrast, nuclear-powered submarines, which inherently possess AIP capabilities, offer significant advantages. These submarines can operate with low noise levels, making them difficult to detect. Unlike AIP submarines that need to maintain low speeds and extreme caution in shallow waters, nuclear-powered submarines can move quickly and cover greater distances without compromising stealth.

 

[boredaf]

Turkish Navy needs mini nuclear submarines. I think it is time to construct 2000 tons nuclear submarines.

... Maybe we should get nuclear reactors first? No?

 

[UkroTurk]

... Maybe we should get nuclear reactors first? No?

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I don't think for Türkiye it is a big problem.

 

[boredaf]

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I don't think for Türkiye it is a big problem.

Ah yes, that is why we have and are building our own nuclear reactors instead of foreign countries building and owning them. And, of course, they have already managed to get through everything necessary to make a naval nuclear reactor and were just sitting on it for the fun of it. Naturally, it wouldn't be a big problem.

 

[UkroTurk]

Ah yes, that is why we have and are building our own nuclear reactors instead of foreign countries building and owning them. And, of course, they have already managed to get through everything necessary to make a naval nuclear reactor and were just sitting on it for the fun of it. Naturally, it wouldn't be a big problem.

How Soviets created their first nuclear reactor 80 years ago? Jesus didn't gift them. 80 years has passed over the first primitive reactor technology.

 

[Yasar_TR]

yours is a valid concern... yet not only ISR i.e Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance tasks but over all mission profile of a sub require situational awareness and sensor mix which may be beyond the capabilities of a observation drone with a fiber optic cable

However, Germans will have two optronic masts on their new submarines, one for extended capabilities and one for stealth ok more like a Ultra-low Profile Mast replacing the periscope. .. a combination of OSM150 and OMS300....definity something we should also try on MILDEN

Gür Class and Preveze Class subs, if I am not mistaken, use Hensoldt Sero-400 optronic periscope systems. In their MLU, it was programmed that they were updated. There were also some work undertaken by our companies, to make the close to surface parts, stealthy.

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The SERO 400 series represents the most successful periscope systems for submarines since more than a decade.

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In contrast, nuclear-powered submarines, which inherently possess AIP capabilities, offer significant advantages. These submarines can operate with low noise levels, making them difficult to detect. Unlike AIP submarines that need to maintain low speeds and extreme caution in shallow waters, nuclear-powered submarines can move quickly and cover greater distances without compromising stealth.

The modern AIP submarines are Infact a good deal stealthier than the nuclear powered ones. Those big nuclear Subs do create more noise, than the smaller AIP subs like our REİS class.

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It's a significant improvement over traditional diesel-electric propulsion systems used in non-nuclear submarines. Interestingly, new-gen non-nuclear vessels equipped with AIP or battery systems can be nearly noiseless, making them stealthier than nuclear submarines.

Unquote.

https://testbook.com/articles/aip-technology-air-independent-propulsion-technology#:~:text=It's%20a%20significant%20improvement%20over,them%20stealthier%20than%20nuclear%20submarines.

Of course having the advantage of staying submerged for 90 days at a time (they need to come up to replenish food etc) is a big thing. Also to have possibility to apply the high speed whenever and as often as you can is an unquestionable plus.

 

[somegoodusername]

What are the causes for MKE’s bad reputation ?

The first thing we need to clarify is that most of the failures and setbacks in MKE's projects occurred before the changes in administration and reforms in the managerial system. MKE is a 70-year-old, government-run company, and like most government-run organizations, it was highly bureaucratic and not very productive. With the new reforms, it is now planned to be evolve something more closer to TAI or ASELSAN, government-owned on paper but run more like a private firm.

 

[UkroTurk]

new-gen non-nuclear vessels equipped with AIP or battery systems can be nearly noiseless, making them stealthier than nuclear submarines.

AFAIK there is no Stealth submarines in shallow waters like the Egean Sea. In shallow waters the subs could be detected.

 

[boredaf]

How Soviets created their first nuclear reactor 80 years ago? Jesus didn't gift them. 80 years has passed over the first primitive reactor technology.

There is a massive difference in "We can get there eventually, sooner or later" and "It won't be a big problem". And there is a reason only 6 countries have nuclear submarines, actually, several billion reasons, and problem of reactors is just one of them.

 

[UkroTurk]

There is a massive difference in "We can get there eventually, sooner or later" and "It won't be a big problem". And there is a reason only 6 countries have nuclear submarines, actually, several billion reasons, and problem of reactors is just one of them.

So you ownself answered to your first question.
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