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[Spook]

Anything of importance?

Background on advanced material technology projects including for naval applications. OYAK etc. took important steps in the recent years.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1410512837903110144

Kabotaj günümüz kutlu olsun.

Happy Kabotaj guys. Celebrating the day when we became able to guard our own waters

 

[Test7]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1411601856304975872

 

[Saithan]

Denizaltı Savunma Harbine Yerli Sonar Çözümü: Orkun-2053 - C4 Defence

Armelsan, uzaktan komuta edilebilen su altı robotu Kâşif’i Fatih sondaj gemisine entegre ederek dikkatleri üzerine çekmişti.

www.c4defence.com

Orkun-2053 domestic sonar solution

 

[Turko]

Savunma ve Denizcilik Araştırmacısı Kozan Selçuk Erkan,"Hisar O+ will be used in İstif Class" Is it accurate news?

Hisar füzeleri Mavi Vatan'da da boy gösterecek

Hisar ailesi füzelerinden gelen güzel haberler gözleri bir kez daha Türkiye’nin bu alandaki yol haritasına çevirdi. Bu sistemlerin Mavi Vatan’da da kullanılacağını anlatan uzmanlar, kritik bir alanda daha dış bağımlılığın azalacağı görüşünde.

www.trthaber.com

 

[Anmdt]

"Hisar O+ will be used in İstif Class" Is it accurate news?

Hisar füzeleri Mavi Vatan'da da boy gösterecek

Hisar ailesi füzelerinden gelen güzel haberler gözleri bir kez daha Türkiye’nin bu alandaki yol haritasına çevirdi. Bu sistemlerin Mavi Vatan’da da kullanılacağını anlatan uzmanlar, kritik bir alanda daha dış bağımlılığın azalacağı görüşünde.

www.trthaber.com

All started with @Test7 's version

 

[Saithan]

@UkroTurk 🚬 you should pitch more ideas to @Test7 for photoshopping, we might get lucky again

 

[Test7]

 

[Anmdt]

Savunma ve Denizcilik Araştırmacısı Kozan Selçuk Erkan,"Hisar O+ will be used in İstif Class" Is it accurate news?

Hisar füzeleri Mavi Vatan'da da boy gösterecek

Hisar ailesi füzelerinden gelen güzel haberler gözleri bir kez daha Türkiye’nin bu alandaki yol haritasına çevirdi. Bu sistemlerin Mavi Vatan’da da kullanılacağını anlatan uzmanlar, kritik bir alanda daha dış bağımlılığın azalacağı görüşünde.

www.trthaber.com

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We may see it on Bayraktar Class before we see it on Ada Class. Just speculating

 

[Steel]

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We may see it on Bayraktar Class before we see it on Ada Class. Just speculating

There are some rumours saying that hisar canisters can be loaded with incline near the anti ship canisters. Although it won't be totally efficient, we need hisars asap. For lsts I think it is the easisest way just to load launchers on the truck and C2 system that have link (16 or domestic solution) with lst's cms.

 

[TheInsider]

The first upgraded Barbaros class will be delivered in November 2022.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The first upgraded Barbaros class will be delivered in November 2022.

These ships will be the most effective and modern ships of the fleet after their modernisation are completed . Originally programmed for February 2021 for the first ship’s delivery and postponed due to intensified activity in the Eastern Med; They are also the fastest ships in the fleet.

Barbaros Sınıfı Fırkateyn Yarı Ömür Modernizasyonu Projesi Üzerine Notlar

Uzun bir süredir devam eden Barbaros Sınıfı Fırkateyn Yarı Ömür Modernizasyonu Projesi ile Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı envanterinde kayıtlı 4 adet

www.defenceturk.net

According to what it will have in this project; The radar systems, dual CIWS systems (both Gokdeniz and Phalanx ) , B-Sys (a derivative of GENESIS) being the new brains of the ship, New fire control systems for the 127mm gun and the CIWS systems, more emphasis on Electronic Warfare orientated armaments, possible Umtas/L-Umtas or new longer range Missile launchers for asymmetric warfare will all be incorporated in to the project.

 

[Anmdt]

The first upgraded Barbaros class will be delivered in November 2022.

MLU of Turkish Navy’s Barbaros-class frigates Passes Critical Design Phase - Naval News

According to a video published by the Turkish Presidency of Defence Industries (SSB), the critical design phase of the Turkish Navy’s Barbaros class (MEKO 200 TN Track II-A/B) frigates' Mid Life Upgrade (MLU) was completed in 2020.

www.navalnews.com

Within the MLU project scope, indigenous systems developed by ASELSAN – HAVELSAN Joint Venture will replace the existing combat systems onboard 4 Barbaros-class Frigates of the Turkish Naval Forces (Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri). The modernization of the first frigate is set to be completed in November 2022, while the last ship of the class is expected to be delivered in 2024.

Not good news though,if i scroll some pages back i can find it in this or Naval Programs thread, told in last January or December.

BARBAROS Sınıfı Fırkateyn'lerin Modernizasyon Takvimine Güncelleme

BARBAROS Sınıfı Fırkateyn Yarı Ömür Modernizasyonu projesinde ilk iki geminin teslimatı 2022’den 2023’e ertelendi. İTÜ SAVTEK tarafından gerçekleştirilen Savunma ve Teknoloji Günlerine katılan Savunma Sanayi Başkanlığı (SSB) Deniz Araçları Daire Başkanı Alper Köse’nin paylaştığı çizelge de ilk...

m5dergi.com

Moreover, it is delayed by several months into 2023. Very less likely to modernization to catch up, Barbaros itself is currently deployed at NATO missions and it will be off-duty in future, then docked for modernization.

 

[Spook]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1415241700960784385

His content is reliable so I wanted to post this

He says that before Milden, he believes smaller submarine class will enter service. First thing you think is STM TS1700. He says that he heard that it will be smaller than that.

 

[Spook]

Savunma ve Denizcilik Araştırmacısı Kozan Selçuk Erkan,"Hisar O+ will be used in İstif Class" Is it accurate news?

Hisar füzeleri Mavi Vatan'da da boy gösterecek

Hisar ailesi füzelerinden gelen güzel haberler gözleri bir kez daha Türkiye’nin bu alandaki yol haritasına çevirdi. Bu sistemlerin Mavi Vatan’da da kullanılacağını anlatan uzmanlar, kritik bir alanda daha dış bağımlılığın azalacağı görüşünde.

www.trthaber.com

I wonder how much room discarded nose cone IIR has for upgrades. Could be effective against high angle attacks with low observable munitions.

 

[Saithan]

MLU of Turkish Navy’s Barbaros-class frigates Passes Critical Design Phase - Naval News

According to a video published by the Turkish Presidency of Defence Industries (SSB), the critical design phase of the Turkish Navy’s Barbaros class (MEKO 200 TN Track II-A/B) frigates' Mid Life Upgrade (MLU) was completed in 2020.

www.navalnews.com

Not good news though,if i scroll some pages back i can find it in this or Naval Programs thread, told in last January or December.

BARBAROS Sınıfı Fırkateyn'lerin Modernizasyon Takvimine Güncelleme

BARBAROS Sınıfı Fırkateyn Yarı Ömür Modernizasyonu projesinde ilk iki geminin teslimatı 2022’den 2023’e ertelendi. İTÜ SAVTEK tarafından gerçekleştirilen Savunma ve Teknoloji Günlerine katılan Savunma Sanayi Başkanlığı (SSB) Deniz Araçları Daire Başkanı Alper Köse’nin paylaştığı çizelge de ilk...

m5dergi.com

Moreover, it is delayed by several months into 2023. Very less likely to modernization to catch up, Barbaros itself is currently deployed at NATO missions and it will be off-duty in future, then docked for modernization.

This is another reason for why I think we should have build more ada class corvettes, even if it's of an older design. I think having extra vessels for whatever would have been good and in worst case we could use them for educational and experimenting.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1415241700960784385

His content is reliable so I wanted to post this

He says that before Milden, he believes smaller submarine class will enter service. First thing you think is STM TS1700. He says that he heard that it will be smaller than that.

I hope electric submarines like the swedish are what we're aiming for. They don't have to be huge to begin with just enough to give us an edge.

 

[Anmdt]

This is another reason for why I think we should have build more ada class corvettes, even if it's of an older design. I think having extra vessels for whatever would have been good and in worst case we could use them for educational and experimenting.

Waiting for G-Class replacement, to be honest.
Alaybey shipyard (Izmir Naval Shipyard) will do some "training" rounds with OPVs and create an eco-system (subcontractors), then i guess they will step into I-Class and spare the Pendik Shipyard (Istanbul Naval Shipyard) for frigates (TF-100, 4000+ tonnes, TF-2000, 7000+ tonnes) and destroyers.
Combined with private shipyards for export-oriented orders, auxiliary classes it will be better after 2025.

 

[Spook]

I hope electric submarines like the swedish are what we're aiming for. They don't have to be huge to begin with just enough to give us an edge.

Sub similar to TS1700 would not only give edge but would be quantum leap for Turkish Navy. Complete new page. Nationalization rate or tonnage doesn't have to be that high. TS1700 provides very good balance in underwater to land attack capabilities. Biggest advantage is national design. It would be ours unlike German export subs. Foreign intelligence would have to do work to gain info on the platforms. It will give us the surprise element.

 

[Spook]

This is another reason for why I think we should have build more ada class corvettes, even if it's of an older design. I think having extra vessels for whatever would have been good and in worst case we could use them for educational and experimenting.

There was 2 additional Ada-class option If I remember correctly still after the revision of Milgem phases. Navy most likely did not want it as they wanted to move with I-class. Delays for various reasons, embargoes, and later recent development in east-med raised need for it again, although late at this point. Would rather use the resources for sub-class designed with VLS or more advanced ships like ordering additional I-class.