TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions

[IC3M@N FX]

If the supposed falling out Trump had with Netanyahu this was 100% one of the reasons. Netanyahu tried to pressure him into not selling F-35s to Türkiye in the Oval Office and Trump did not take that kindly.

I don't trust either of them and Turkey should not rely on anyone but itself. Just continue with TAI KAAN & Co, that bothers them much more.

 

[mTT]

We exported the “kill-switch” to the world, let the world deal with the “kill-switch” they are not selling us the F-35.

 

[Sanchez]

I don't trust either of them and Turkey should not rely on anyone but itself. Just continue with TAI KAAN & Co, that bothers them much more.

Turkey heavily relies on its partners for development of arms and for its security, and plans to do so continuing forward.

 

[Saithan]

Well, if we can get F-16 V, I'm all for it, EF 40 of them, sure all for it, F35 sure all for it.

In the end we can't gamble on all of these and end up with nothing in our hands. That is worst.

I think we need to seal the deal with heavy penalty for not delivering to ensure they uphold the delivery. here I am thinking of EF. sealing the deal on 40 of those will make US rush the F35 offer. 40 F-35 would be fine too.

But we must secure a fucking deal. Our enemies are talking behind closed doors and I believe they know exactly how far the deal offers have reached. even if they are competitions when it's Türkiye, They become united.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937501399677272219

UK’s F-35B Ambitions (updated)

The US, which made England worse than killing for F-35s, would do anything if Türkiye bought F-35s

 

[Oublious]

are you serious right now? really?

i checked and fak it is not ahahha...


for a moment is was happy...

 

[mTT]

US Envoy to Syria Tom Barrack on Türkiye's F-35 crisis:

We will find a solution.

This issue dates back to 2017 and was a misunderstood matter. A decade later, we're in a very different environment and moving toward a solution.

The F-35, F-16, S-400 issue — which was a political dispute — all of them have solutions.

I hope we see a resolution in the short term. I believe we're getting closer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1950617505413861391

 

[Sanchez]

"United States Department of State
Washington, D.C. 20520
August 20, 2025
The Honorable
Chris Pappas
House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515
Dear Mr. Pappas:

Thank you for your August 7 letter to Secretary Rubio regarding the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) sanctions and Turkey. The United States has been clear with the Turkish government about our laws and policies regarding the acquisition of Russian defense equipment and the implications for acquisition of F-35 aircraft for Turkey.

The Trump Administration is fully committed to protecting U.S. defense and intelligence assets and complying with U.S. law, including CAATSA. The U.S. position on Turkey's acquisition and continued possession of the Russian S-400 system has not changed, and the requirements for Turkey to acquire U.S. F-35 aircraft are well-known, including those established by section 1245 of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act.

Turkey is a longstanding NATO Ally with a history of making important contributions to Alliance missions. The United States' defense relationship with Turkey remains vital to the security interests of both the United States and NATO.

The United States seeks to cooperate with Turkey on common priorities and to engage in dialogue to resolve disagreements. We have expressed our disapproval of Ankara's acquisition of the S-400 and clearly conveyed steps that would need to be taken in our ongoing assessment of the application of CAATSA sanctions...."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1958198281936175189

After Greek and Israeli lobby pressure to "fact find" regarding talks of Turkey being let back into F-35, State Dept basically says officially nothing has changed and CAATSA and 2020 NDAA remains in place. There's no talk of F-35 until S-400s are removed.

 

[Zafer]

We should simply look into taking the GE share in TEI in return for the $1.4bn investment we made into the F35.

 

[Yasar_TR]

"United States Department of State
Washington, D.C. 20520
August 20, 2025
The Honorable
Chris Pappas
House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515
Dear Mr. Pappas:

Thank you for your August 7 letter to Secretary Rubio regarding the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) sanctions and Turkey. The United States has been clear with the Turkish government about our laws and policies regarding the acquisition of Russian defense equipment and the implications for acquisition of F-35 aircraft for Turkey.

The Trump Administration is fully committed to protecting U.S. defense and intelligence assets and complying with U.S. law, including CAATSA. The U.S. position on Turkey's acquisition and continued possession of the Russian S-400 system has not changed, and the requirements for Turkey to acquire U.S. F-35 aircraft are well-known, including those established by section 1245 of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act.

Turkey is a longstanding NATO Ally with a history of making important contributions to Alliance missions. The United States' defense relationship with Turkey remains vital to the security interests of both the United States and NATO.

The United States seeks to cooperate with Turkey on common priorities and to engage in dialogue to resolve disagreements. We have expressed our disapproval of Ankara's acquisition of the S-400 and clearly conveyed steps that would need to be taken in our ongoing assessment of the application of CAATSA sanctions...."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1958198281936175189

After Greek and Israeli lobby pressure to "fact find" regarding talks of Turkey being let back into F-35, State Dept basically says officially nothing has changed and CAATSA and 2020 NDAA remains in place. There's no talk of F-35 until S-400s are removed.

This means US has no intention of lifting CAATSA sanctions in place against it's largest ally.
This also means that sanctions and semi hidden embargoes on like parts and engines would be subject to these sanctions too. Hence, F110 and f404 engine sales and/or joint production approval by Congress is also going to be a dream that never comes true.
We need to sort the engine dilemma ourselves.
F-16 joint manufacturing or deliveries news have gone cold as well. I wonder how much down payment we sent to LM for those 40 planes?

 

[Sanchez]

This means US has no intention of lifting CAATSA sanctions in place

It doesn't actually. Just that there's nothing concrete so far.

 

[Strong AI]

"United States Department of State
Washington, D.C. 20520
August 20, 2025
The Honorable
Chris Pappas
House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515
Dear Mr. Pappas:

Thank you for your August 7 letter to Secretary Rubio regarding the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) sanctions and Turkey. The United States has been clear with the Turkish government about our laws and policies regarding the acquisition of Russian defense equipment and the implications for acquisition of F-35 aircraft for Turkey.

The Trump Administration is fully committed to protecting U.S. defense and intelligence assets and complying with U.S. law, including CAATSA. The U.S. position on Turkey's acquisition and continued possession of the Russian S-400 system has not changed, and the requirements for Turkey to acquire U.S. F-35 aircraft are well-known, including those established by section 1245 of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act.

Turkey is a longstanding NATO Ally with a history of making important contributions to Alliance missions. The United States' defense relationship with Turkey remains vital to the security interests of both the United States and NATO.

The United States seeks to cooperate with Turkey on common priorities and to engage in dialogue to resolve disagreements. We have expressed our disapproval of Ankara's acquisition of the S-400 and clearly conveyed steps that would need to be taken in our ongoing assessment of the application of CAATSA sanctions...."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1958198281936175189

After Greek and Israeli lobby pressure to "fact find" regarding talks of Turkey being let back into F-35, State Dept basically says officially nothing has changed and CAATSA and 2020 NDAA remains in place. There's no talk of F-35 until S-400s are removed.

Imo this is just their "automated" response until something "officially" changes.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

My assessment – and I emphasize that this is only a guess – is as follows:
Turkey's so-called S-400 problem will probably only be finally resolved when Siper Block III is operational and in series production.

The background to this is that Turkey does not yet have a complete defense capability against Stealth Aircrafts and ballistic and Hypersonic targets. Although Siper Block II already represents significant progress and can ward off certain threats, only Block III offers a truly serious level of protection.

The Russian S-400 already covers these threat categories—Stealth targets, ballistic missiles, and, to a limited extent, hypersonic missiles—today. It therefore remains a necessary transitional system for Turkey until the domestic solution with Siper Block III is competitive.

 

[TR_123456]

This means US has no intention of lifting CAATSA sanctions in place against it's largest ally.
This also means that sanctions and semi hidden embargoes on like parts and engines would be subject to these sanctions too. Hence, F110 and f404 engine sales and/or joint production approval by Congress is also going to be a dream that never comes true.
We need to sort the engine dilemma ourselves.
F-16 joint manufacturing or deliveries news have gone cold as well. I wonder how much down payment we sent to LM for those 40 planes?

In this case CAATSA means nothing,Trump decides and if he decides Erdogan(his buddy) gets what he wants he gets what he wants.
Trump ''owns'' every decision making platform in the US.
So,if we dont get what we want,its Trumps fault.
Its that simple i guess.

 

[Sanchez]

The Russian S-400 already covers these threat categories—Stealth targets, ballistic missiles, and, to a limited extent, hypersonic missiles—today. It therefore remains a necessary transitional system for Turkey until the domestic solution with Siper Block III is competitive.

S-400 is not really effective against these threat types and more importantly Turkish S400s are not deployed or possibly even operational. At best they are staying in hangars and our operators are not trained in real conditions; at worst, they are sitting still gathering dust.

In this case CAATSA means nothing,Trump decides and if he decides Erdogan(his buddy) gets what he wants he gets what he wants.
Trump ''owns'' every decision making platform in the US.
So,if we dont get what we want,its Trumps fault.
Its that simple i guess.

He doesn't. He needs to make congress fall in line.

 

[Yasar_TR]

In this case CAATSA means nothing,Trump decides and if he decides Erdogan(his buddy) gets what he wants he gets what he wants.
Trump ''owns'' every decision making platform in the US.
So,if we dont get what we want,its Trumps fault.
Its that simple i guess.

Republicans may have majority in both houses. But the Jewish, Armanian and Greek lobbies in them need to be persuaded to vote in line with Trump's wishes.
LM and GE ought to put their weight as well. It is a tall order when everything in the west is controlled by Jewish money.

 

[TR_123456]

He doesn't. He needs to make congress fall in line.

Like he did with the ''Big Beautiful Bill'' where 8/10 Republican members were against it at first?
What or who changed their minds?

Trump rages as rebel House Republicans baulk at backing Big Beautiful Bill

Efforts to win over holdout House Republicans extend into early hours as Trump's tax and spending bill hits hurdles.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[TR_123456]

Republicans may have majority in both houses. But the Jewish, Armanian and Greek lobbies in them need to be persuaded to vote in line with Trump's wishes.
LM and GE ought to put their weight as well. It is a tall order when everything in the west is controlled by Jewish money.

Thats the thing with Trump,he doesnt care.
Jewish,Greek and Armenian have to get in line.
If he wants something done,it has to be done or else.
He did in 10 years what took Erdogan 40 years,total control of the US leadership establishment.
Just take a look at our country and compare it to what is going on in the US now.
Do you see any similarities?

 

[Zafer]

Doubts about the Tempest project, as it relates to other 5+ gen projects like F35 and Kaan

 

[TR_123456]

Doubts about the Tempest project, as it relates to other 5+ gen projects like F35 and Kaan

The UK couldd go for it alone if it wanted but this is about finances.
Inviting Japan is the problem i think,its like France with its complicated demands.
This project needs better partners.