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[Anmdt]

TAI cannot import turbofan engines for Göksungur. SSB will not allow imported engine. So they will wait for the TF-6000.

But Baykar can? What kind of logic is this then?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Is this a new multiple MAM-L release pod being tried on Akinci?

https://mobile.twitter.com/BarbarosToprak2

 

[Bogeyman]

But Baykar can? What kind of logic is this then?

It should be asked to the SSB management. Engineer friends say that SSB treats TAI quite badly in this regard.

 

[Anmdt]

It should be asked to the SSB management. Engineer friends say that SSB treats TAI quite badly in this regard.

I know that, in fact i used to tell that somewhere around in this thread a year ago too.
Just hoped to hear some logical reason, apparently there is not.

 

[Rodeo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1391469327388483586

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It is predicted that it can provide a maximum thrust of 27 kN for the TF-6000. The GE F404 produces 3 times more power than the TF-6000. (It is possible to estimate the size of the UCAV from here.) Therefore, considering that the engine is quite small, other options are not possible for TAI.

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On the other hand, it is not 1-2 years for the TF-6000 project. We guess it's older.

Any guess on when we might see a working prototype of TF-6000?

 

[Bogeyman]

Any guess on when we might see a working prototype of TF-6000?

Unfortunately, that issue remains unclear.

 

[Zafer]

But Baykar can? What kind of logic is this then?

It doesn't make sense for TAI to import engines when there is TEI.
Baykar on the other hand is not a state company and can act like a private sector company can.

 

[Anmdt]

It doesn't make sense for TAI to import engines when there is TEI.
Baykar on the other hand is not a state company and can act like a private sector company can.

Fair competition? TAI should be allowed to receive engines from a verified source (verified by SSB) for a fair competition.

 

[Zafer]

TF-6000 will be the first medium power and the first turbofan engine Turkey is ever producing assuming it will be realized before the engines for the TFX, a very exciting product to look forward to.

 

[Combat-Master]

Fair competition? TAI should be allowed to receive engines from a verified source (verified by SSB) for a fair competition.

In the whole it doesn't make sense. TAI is importing Ukrainian engines for ATAK-II. How does that work ?

 

[Zafer]

Fair competition? TAI should be allowed to receive engines from a verified source (verified by SSB) for a fair competition.

TAI and Baykar should not necessarily compete as they are not making the exact same products. It would be a waste if they did at this level of industrialization. Maybe 15-20 years later but not just yet.

 

[Anmdt]

In the whole it doesn't make sense. TAI is importing Ukrainian engines for ATAK-II. How does that work ?

Then only one logical explanation remains: TAI has been taken out from the unmanned business.

 

[Lool]

Then only one logical explanation remains: TAI has been taken out from the unmanned business.

Not really
TAI still produces Aksungur which is a damn BEAST in its own right and is just as good as Akinci even though their roles are different. TAI isnt gaining as much recognition like Baykar in the unmanned sector because what the ppl expect from TAI is 100 times more than what we expect from Baykar for example Hurjet, TFX etc... Probably SSB is forcing TAI to produce products that are even better than what is agreed on, I guess

 

[Zafer]

Then only one logical explanation remains: TAI has been taken out from the unmanned business.

TAI has more projects on their hands than they can handle right now.

 

[Combat-Master]

Then only one logical explanation remains: TAI has been taken out from the unmanned business.

I don't think that's the case either. TAI are more tight lipped and have to abide to what they can publish, especially projects that are funded by SSB.

We haven't seen their supersonic drone, we think we know it was flown last year when one of the Test Pilots hinted at it on their linkedin. They are guarded in what they say about T629, despite seeing a fully built ground test vehicle.

Hurjet is fully funded by them, but they didn't even publish first metal cut celebration like they did with TFX.

The company as a whole are just hush hush about everything, even more so than Tubitak SAGE it seems.

I'm all for Turkish version of Skunk Works

 

[Combat-Master]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1391469327388483586

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It is predicted that it can provide a maximum thrust of 27 kN for the TF-6000. The GE F404 produces 3 times more power than the TF-6000. (It is possible to estimate the size of the UCAV from here.) Therefore, considering that the engine is quite small, other options are not possible for TAI.

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On the other hand, it is not 1-2 years for the TF-6000 project. We guess it's older.

If it is 6000lb thrust engine, it's not an engine that's built up from TS1400 and likely an axial flow engine.

A turbofan engine based from TS1400 core would output around 1500-2000lb of thrust, and share similar dimensions as GE Honda HF120.

Honeywell F125 with 6280lb of thrust

 

[Yasar_TR]

If it is 6000lb thrust engine, it's not an engine that's built up from TS1400 and likely an axial flow engine.

A turbofan engine based from TS1400 core would output around 1500-2000lb of thrust, and share similar dimensions as GE Honda HF120.
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Honeywell F125 with 6280lb of thrust
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Ibrahim Sunnetci had mentioned in one of his articles that the ts1400 core and body would yield a turbofan engine with a thrust level of 6000lbf dry and 9-10000lbf with AB. Size wise it would be quite a demanding case to make the said power level. But can be done by extending the length of the engine. (As in RR Adour)
Of course the innards of the ts1400 would have to be extensively altered to allow an axial flow compressor and turbine section as opposed to the radial flow of ts1400.
Also the dry thrust and the after burner thrust has to be made clear. If the quoted thrust is dry 6000lbf then we are talking about an engine with a power level of 9-10000lbf thrust.
Any jet propulsion engine has to be axial flow in order to create thrust. Some of the sections may be radial, to give better efficiency as radial flow improves heat propagation. But in essence a turbofan (or a turbo jet) is an axial flow gas turbine.

 

[Profchaos]

If it is 6000lb thrust engine, it's not an engine that's built up from TS1400 and likely an axial flow engine.

A turbofan engine based from TS1400 core would output around 1500-2000lb of thrust, and share similar dimensions as GE Honda HF120.
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Honeywell F125 with 6280lb of thrust
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The problem is HF120 has a relatively high bypass ratio 2.9:1 and very low turbine inlet temperature 860C, also it has reverse combustion chamber. Since its not meant for military applications but business jets, i think it is not wise to set it as an example for ts1400 core just because it has similar diameter.

Edit: it turns out ts1400 also has reverse combustion chamber.

 

[Combat-Master]

Ibrahim Sunnetci had mentioned in one of his articles that the ts1400 core and body would yield a turbofan engine with a thrust level of 6000lbf dry and 9-10000lbf with AB. Size wise it would be quite a demanding case to make the said power level. But can be done by extending the length of the engine. (As in RR Adour)
Of course the innards of the ts1400 would have to be extensively altered to allow an axial flow compressor and turbine section as opposed to the radial flow of ts1400.
Also the dry thrust and the after burner thrust has to be made clear. If the quoted thrust is dry 6000lbf then we are talking about an engine with a power level of 9-10000lbf thrust.
Any jet propulsion engine has to be axial flow in order to create thrust. Some of the sections may be radial, to give better efficiency as radial flow improves heat propagation. But in essence a turbofan (or a turbo jet) is an axial flow gas turbine.

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There's no way TS1400 core could produce 6000lb of thrust. Where such notions come from, I don't understand. Look into the Garrett F109 which also shares similar core to TS1400.

 

[MADDOG]

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The drone in question has to be the TISU am I right? I don't know what else they might be talking about.