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[Reviewbrah]

Ashot Ashkelon (Elbit Systems) hybrid system with Rotax 912 or 914, electric motor/generator

Eco friendly low IR signature TB2 when

 

[Ronin]

I'm wondering if tb3 will have the same dimensions as tb2. With heavier engines it looks like it will get bigger. But the success of tb2 was that it is a very capable drone in the tactical class. Very hard to detect. Tb3 should stay in this class. I'm curious what bayraktar will deliver.

I also believe tb2 will be replaced with tb3. It will not continue to exist after the Embargo.

 

[Sinan]

PD170 is really good, but personally myself and many other people would love to see a smaller UAV from Bayraktar utilizing PG series and used only for laser targeting.
and call it Bayraktar TB1.5

I was thinking on a similar thing.

Like, Flying much bigger drones like Akıncı on higher altitudes where it would be safe from AA fire. Loaded with 24 MAM-L and cheaper drones on lower altitude for targeting.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Low visibility should be the main target of Bayraktar at Tb3. It is cerraib that they will make TB3 bigger and heavier than TB2 but They should find a solution to keep fuselage RCS at optimum scale. Retractable landing gears, more stealth design lines, buried Flir on fuselage may be some solutions.

 

[Osprey]

I'm still skeptical about AKINCI using PD170. It seems underpowered for such a beast.

Akıncı and Aksungur are similar in size and weight; also their mission profiles as well. If an Aksungur with 2xPD-170 can work fine and has enough thrust to lift that behemoth; why can't we expect similar results from Akıncı? Remember that -afaik- Aksungur is even heavier than Akıncı ( ~500 kilos or so) But of course who wouldn't prefer a better engine? Personally I'd love to see a Rotax 914F on Akıncı, just imagine; It would be an absolute monster!

 

[Hexciter]

Akıncı and Aksungur are similar in size and weight; also their mission profiles as well. If an Aksungur with 2xPD-170 can work fine and has enough thrust to lift that behemoth; why can't we expect similar results from Akıncı? Remember that -afaik- Aksungur is even heavier than Akıncı ( ~500 kilos or so) But of course who wouldn't prefer a better engine? Personally I'd love to see a Rotax 914F on Akıncı, just imagine; It would be an absolute monster!

Aksungur has a MTOW of 3300 kg which is 5500 kg with Akıncı.

 

[Osprey]

Aksungur has a MTOW of 3300 kg which is 5500 kg with Akıncı.

Oppss, sorry my bad

 

[Anmdt]

Aksungur has a MTOW of 3300 kg which is 5500 kg with Akıncı.

Akıncı has that MTOW with 2 x 750 HP of optional engines.
Probably Akıncı will have MTOW similar to Aksungur with 2* PD-222.
It was already told Akıncı will be available at different engine configurations.

 

[Hexciter]

Akıncı has that MTOW with 2 x 750 HP of optional engines.
Probably Akıncı will have MTOW similar to Aksungur with 2* PD-222.
It was already told Akıncı will be available at different engine configurations.

MTOW will decrease as the difference between engine’s weights, not more. To reach to MTOW of Aksungur, you need airframe modifications.

 

[Anmdt]

MTOW will decrease as the difference between engine’s weights, not more. To reach to MTOW of Aksungur, you need airframe modifications.

Less power - less thrust - less speed - less lift force - less MTOW and payload.
PD170/222 has much less fuel consumption, so fuel capacity and maybe wing structure-engine connection will be adjusted for that too

 

[Hexciter]

Less power - less thrust - less speed - less lift force - less MTOW and payload.

Only with a lighter frame will end up with a significantly low MTOW. You stealing from fuel and payload.

 

[Anmdt]

Only with a lighter frame will end up with a significantly low MTOW. You stealing from fuel and payload.

AI 750 will consume 4 times more fuel at continuous rate, and i guess a considerable amount of MTOW is the fuel, also a picture was posted from presentation by baykar and structural weight with PD170 was shown to be 800 kg lighter.
In fact, AI-750T is even lighter than PD170.

 

[BordoEnes]

Low visibility should be the main target of Bayraktar at Tb3. It is cerraib that they will make TB3 bigger and heavier than TB2 but They should find a solution to keep fuselage RCS at optimum scale. Retractable landing gears, more stealth design lines, buried Flir on fuselage may be some solutions.

There was a time when the TB-2 used to be called TB-S for stealth because many of us confused the smooth design and airframe as stealthy. It would have been great if that was the primary focus of the next TB variant, however given the circumstances its understandable why they went with the direction they did for the TB-3. Here is hoping that TB-4 will be the stealth ucav we always wanted

 

[Ryder]

Tb3 confirmed cant wait to see what they have in store.

 

[dBSPL]

I think, Navy needed such an interim solution. If it has around 12-14 meters wingspan and if it will be able to take off as STOL. I mean, an aircraft with the avionics capability of Aksungur and Akıncı also that could have the payloads capacity of an almost MALE class UCAV, including A-to-G/S missiles and even Satcom, but packaged as compactly as possible. Aksungur and Akıncı are not suitable aircrafts to take off from LHD/LHA deck. On the other hand, Bayraktar TB2 has low lifting capacity(bcs of its class) and some electronic/avionic weaknesses that cannot meet the needs of the Navy.

Or simply, we will come across a kind of maximum domestic solution TB2 ++, for example with increased payload(6 Mam-l?) as well as domestic CATS and more advanced avionics. If it is, the reason for the new naming may be the transition to new airframe, as it involves much larger engine and replenishing large number of avionics.

 

[ekemenirtu]

Would like to see Aksungur Airborne Early Warning and Surveillance Drone (AEW&SD)

"Another mission that could be assumed by those drones is Airborne Early Warning and Surveillance (AEW&S), utilizing an innovative radar array developed as a proof of concept and demonstrated by the 38th Institute of the CETC Group. Such a radar was recently flown for the first time. The JY-300 drone called ‘Tian Shao,’ a 1,300 kg MTOW drone designed to carry 400 kg of payload. Currently, the JY-300 is designed to operate for 15-hour missions, fly at a speed of 200 km/h and altitude of 25,000 ft., from a runway on land. The JY-300 can be configured with several AESA arrays, on both sides of the fuselage and wing leading edges."

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The AESA radar needs to cover all sectors.

Look-down airborne radars. On the forward section, the sides.

Conformal AESA AEW&C system is needed.

Rather than spine mounted radars as in

where the aircraft's fuselage would block radar signals.

 

[Zafer]

Posted by a guy on Reddit, who posts news from the future.
We will need to wait till 2034 for this to happen

Looking at how other companies made hybrids it is not that hard to make them. Especially when all of them are using that European company's patented electric motor instead of making their own. One could even make it in a matter of months by also utilizing other developers' solution ideas. Not rocket science.

 

[Anmdt]

Looking at how other companies made hybrids it is not that hard to make them. Especially when all of them are using that European company's patented electric motor instead of making their own. One could even make it in a matter of months by also utilizing other developers' solution ideas. Not rocket science.

That particular article was posted by a person in Reddit, and he is form the future. His posts are dated as 2030s - 2040s
The date i have given is not about possibility or ability, he has posted as if it happens in may, 2034.
I would expect it to happen for Bayraktar TB2 but looks like they have gone lazy again and used an already proved-tested-certified (again from years ago on ANKA) PD170. I am pretty sure TEI is able do it, but i suspect the demand.

 

[Zafer]

That particular article was posted by a person in Reddit, and he is form the future. His posts are dated as 2030s - 2040s
The date i have given is not about possibility or ability, he has posted as if it happens in may, 2034.
I would expect it to happen for Bayraktar TB2 but looks like they have gone lazy again and used an already proved-tested-certified (again from years ago on ANKA) PD170. I am pretty sure TEI is able do it, but i suspect the demand.

There are a variety of platforms nowadays to choose from for the military therefore the demand for a particular platform is fairly limited. However if the same engine can be used for civilian platforms and other applications like hovercrafts or helicopters there may be a sizable market for hybridization. In Turkey we need to grow the civilian market as well as the government applications. Also export market can be tapped into. While pure piston engines are not very attractive for some application like helicopters a hybrid is more attractive.

 

[Saithan]

Local engines to power Turkey's cutting-edge combat drones

Turkish drone magnate Baykar's latest unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), Bayraktar TB3, and Akıncı, a cutting-edge unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV),...

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