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[Combat-Master]

These guys are still going at it with 40mm rockets, would be excellent low cost alternative to Roketsan's guided 40mm rockets.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505218730221084675

 

[Hexciter]

These guys are still going at it with 40mm rockets, would be excellent low cost alternative to Roketsan's guided 40mm rockets.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505218730221084675

Too much smoke!

 

[Huelague]

Too much smoke!

Yup. And looks slow.

 

[Ardabas34]

@era_shield @tornadoss

By unique design if you guys refer to inverted v tail a quick google search shows the first one was a WW2 era Nazi aircraft:

Blohm & Voss P 213 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The first drone similiar to TB-2s design however was appearently this:

AAI RQ-7 Shadow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It says first flight 1991.

Also Turkey also bought 9 of them.

Lets not forget Selcuk Bayraktar received his education on drone systems in MIT, not a Turkish university. Though I heard Akinci was actually his fathers design. Is this also true for TB-2 I dont know.

 

[dustdevil]

@era_shield @tornadoss

By unique design if you guys refer to inverted v tail a quick google search shows the first one was a WW2 era Nazi aircraft:

Blohm & Voss P 213 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The first drone similiar to TB-2s design however was appearently this:

AAI RQ-7 Shadow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It says first flight 1991.

Also Turkey also bought 9 of them.

Lets not forget Selcuk Bayraktar received his education on drone systems in MIT, not a Turkish university. Though I heard Akinci was actually his fathers design. Is this also true for TB-2 I dont know.

Baykar Mini UAV first version was also a twin boom inverted V tail design. As far as I remember there were other inverted V tail UAV/RC aircraft examples back then in USA universities but I can’t find them since more than ~15 years have passed. Probably they were influenced either by one of them or RQ-7 or any other aircraft configuration.

There is an old link showing first version of mini UAV and a model that looks like TB2:

TurkCADCAM.net > Yeni ürün tasarım, geliştirme, CAD/CAM/CAE, CNC, kalıp ve imalat teknolojileri

I remember Haluk Bayraktar joining to our forum (turkish defense maybe). I recommended or asked him to build mini UAV in a more simple and robust way like other military drones. Of course he probably did not listen (he answered like it could be done if needed) but after years this is mini UAV:

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I would like to bring to the attention of our members his sentence about the domestic turbofan engine project which I think is the thrust ratio in the interview that was done with Mr. Özsahin in December 2021.


Mr Özsahin from TEI: "The engine is also the most difficult subject of aviation. In this context, only four or five countries in the world have this technology. The dominant powers in the world in this regard are the USA, Canada, England, France, Russia and Ukraine. We are on the way to making engines with more than 10,000 (lb?) thrust. Of course, these works by TEI are seen as a threat. In this context, we encounter various obstacles."

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Baykar Mini UAV first version was also a twin boom inverted V tail design. As far as I remember there were other inverted V tail UAV/RC aircraft examples back then in USA universities but I can’t find them since more than ~15 years have passed. Probably they were influenced either by one of them or RQ-7 or any other aircraft configuration.

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There is an old link showing first version of mini UAV and a model that looks like TB2:

TurkCADCAM.net > Yeni ürün tasarım, geliştirme, CAD/CAM/CAE, CNC, kalıp ve imalat teknolojileri

I remember Haluk Bayraktar joining to our forum (turkish defense maybe). I recommended or asked him to build mini UAV in a more simple and robust way like other military drones. Of course he probably did not listen (he answered like it could be done if needed) but after years this is mini UAV:

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AAI Aerosonde – Wikipedia

de.wikipedia.org

 

[dustdevil]

AAI Aerosonde – Wikipedia

de.wikipedia.org

Nice! Image search from flight sim screen also provided this paper:

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.159.4508&rep=rep1&type=pdf

This paper has some info on the type and tells why is selected for that particular research so might have influenced the same way…Looks like Aerosonde UAV is used in many research papers as a go to UAV because it’s supported by Aerosim software.

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[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505106052228038662

I’m quite behind in this thread so didn’t post this thinking someone probably alredy had. But it looks nice despite the smoke.

This is how it started

SONGAR Armed Drone System, Turkey

SONGAR armed drone system was developed by ASİSGUARD. It was delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) in February 2020.

www.army-technology.com

but bow it has domestic mini missile

 

[Nutuk]

Missiles do not look very accurate, nor do they show precision towards a target. It can be that the development is still ongoing but like this it does not look very useful yet.

 

[Zafer]

Songar probably only has the precision of a 40 mm grenade launcher.

 

[Hexciter]

İsmail DEMİR, President of Defense Industries:

"When you lift a plane from an aircraft carrier, how many hours can that plane stay in the air?
You can put up to 80 AUAVs on the Anadolu ship, raise 15-20 AUAVs at the same time and hit the target.

It's a game-changing concept"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505442443302481923

 

[Zafer]

İsmail DEMİR, President of Defense Industries:

"When you lift a plane from an aircraft carrier, how many hours can that plane stay in the air?
You can put up to 80 AUAVs on the Anadolu ship, raise 15-20 AUAVs at the same time and hit the target.

It's a game-changing concept"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505442443302481923

When they can operate TB3 and Kızılelma from Anadou it is a breakthrough already.
There are studies to fly Hürjet from Anadolu too but Hürjet may be a little too heavy for the task with its weight twice as much as that of the Kızılelma.

 

[Heartbang]

When they can operate TB3 and Kızılelma from Anadou it is a breakthrough already.
There are studies to fly Hürjet from Anadolu too but Hürjet may be a little too heavy for the task with its weight twice as much as that of the Kızılelma.

i honestly dont think Hürjet is considered for LHD ships like TCG Anadolu. wouldnt be very feasible. (Unless theyre working on a STOVL variant like F35B? @TheInsider ?)

 

[Zafer]

i honestly dont think Hürjet is considered for LHD ships like TCG Anadolu. wouldnt be very feasible. (Unless theyre working on a STOVL variant like F35B? @TheInsider ?)

İsmail Demir personally said so.

 

[TheInsider]

There is no STOVL variant for Hurjet. There is a naval variant and studies continue on the background but it is not very high on the priority list. TAI concentrated on two milestones regarding Hurjet. Maiden flight in 2023 and delivery in 2025(training version). Any possible naval variant will only be a priority after those milestones are achieved. Light fighter Hurjet and naval variant will probably be merged into a single project.

 

[Heartbang]

There is no STOVL variant for Hurjet. There is a naval variant and studies continue on the background but it is not very high on the priority list. TAI concentrated on two milestones regarding Hurjet. Maiden flight in 2023 and delivery in 2025(training version). Any possible naval variant will only be a priority after those milestones are achieved. Light fighter Hurjet and naval variant will probably be merged into a single project.

is it going to be a CATOBAR compatible plane, or we're gonna employ the russian method?

 

[TheInsider]

No, it won't be a CATOBAR fighter. It will most likely be STOBAR and institutions are also evaluating the possibility of an electromagnetic launch system.

 

[Heartbang]

No, it won't be a CATOBAR fighter. It will most likely be STOBAR and institutions are also evaluating the possibility of an electromagnetic launch system.

russian method it is then.
I'm really not vibing with the STOBAR config bcuz it hampers the payload and range possibilities of the plane, but it works as a short term solution, i guess.

 

[TheInsider]

IMHO the plan is STOBAR Hurjet(2027) and UCAV(2025) for immediate needs and an electromagnetic launch system capable TF-X and UCAV for future(2030+) platforms.