TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Oublious]

Guys , do you think that the KizilElma might be exported when completed ? i think that it can serve as a loyal wingman to various fighter jets like the F-16V or the F-15EX

NO, we should allow only with F16 TM upgrade and TFX KE as loyalwingman.

 

[Latebra Factum]

NO, we should allow only with F16 TM upgrade and TFX KE as loyalwingman.

maybe if some nation orders the KizilElma , they can integrate it with their platforms like the F-15 or the F-16

 

[Oublious]

maybe if some nation orders the KizilElma , they can integrate it with their platforms like the F-15 or the F-16

Againg no, ther are certain limits you can offer. Americans will not give persmission first of all. You need source code to control your drone or you will come with a pod as solution.

 

[Latebra Factum]

Againg no, ther are certain limits you can offer. Americans will not give persmission first of all. You need source code to control your drone or you will come with a pod as solution.

there are systems like the MUM-T on the AH-64 E that can link up to an MQ-1 or an MQ-9 , maybe turkey can develop a pod (as you said) , integrate it with the jet (in a hardpoint like the Sniper XR) , and here you go

 

[Agha Sher]

maybe if some nation orders the KizilElma , they can integrate it with their platforms like the F-15 or the F-16

Why would you want an aircraft which is significantly better than F-16 and F-15 act as their loyal wingman? KE will turn any version of F-16 or F-15 into scrap metal. KE is an independent air superiority platform designed to operate on its own. TF-Xs wingman will be TISU.

your suggestion is like buying F-35 to be your F-16’s wingman.

 

[Latebra Factum]

Why would you want an aircraft which is significantly better than F-16 and F-15 act as their loyal wingman? KE will turn any version of F-16 or F-15 into scrap metal. KE is an independent air superiority platform designed to operate on its own. TF-Xs wingman will be TISU.

your suggestion is like buying F-35 to be your F-16’s wingman.

better than the F-15 and the F-16 ????? how's that ??? how can you even compare a heavy dual-engine air superiority fighter jet and a multi-purpose fighter jet with a 5th gen drone , and why would the KE turn any fighter into scrap?????

 

[Radonsider]

better than the F-15 ????? how's that ???

i think he is talking about low RCS and agility, maybe radar could perform similar to F-15C' (with AI-322f, B version)

Other than that F-15 has the edge

 

[Agha Sher]

better than the F-15 ????? how's that ???

You are asking very many basic questions. All your questions has been answered 10x before. Please take some time to read the threads.

KE will go head to head against F-35 at the end of this decade. This machine is a completely different beast. Nothing exists like it. Once reaching its full potential it will challenge all 5th gen. aircrafts out there

 

[Latebra Factum]

i think he is talking about low RCS and agility, maybe radar could perform similar to F-15C' (with AI-322f, B version)

Other than that F-15 has the edge

maybe , but the F-15 is more survivable and has waaay more hardpoints, so there's no chance

 

[Radonsider]

maybe , but the F-15 is more survivable and has waaay more hardpoints, so there's no chance

Yes

 

[Agha Sher]

i think he is talking about low RCS and agility, maybe radar could perform similar to F-15C' (with AI-322f, B version)

Other than that F-15 has the edge

In an engagement, KE B and C would win 9/10 against F-15

 

[Latebra Factum]

You are asking very many basic questions. All your questions has been answered 10x before. Please take some time to read the threads.

KE will go head to head against F-35 at the end of this decade. This machine is a completely different beast. Nothing exists like it. Once reaching its full potential it will challenge all 5th gen. aircrafts out there

i'm talking about survivability and weapon systems , how good it will execute against an F-15EX with 22 AA long-range AA missiles ???

 

[Latebra Factum]

You are asking very many basic questions. All your questions has been answered 10x before. Please take some time to read the threads.

KE will go head to head against F-35 at the end of this decade. This machine is a completely different beast. Nothing exists like it. Once reaching its full potential it will challenge all 5th gen. aircrafts out there

i'll give you a better one , KE vs an A-10 Warthog , could the KE deflect a 30x173 mm round ??

 

[Agha Sher]

i'm talking about survivability and weapon systems , how good it will execute against an F-15EX with 22 AA long-range AA missiles ???

F-15 will not even see KE in such an engagement. KE will engage F-15 from a safe distance and leave the combat zone after firing its missiles. F-15 will be busy with trying to evade 4 incoming missiles

 

[Latebra Factum]

F-15 will not even see KE in such an engagement. KE will engage F-15 from a safe distance and leave the combat zone after firing its missiles. F-15 will be busy with trying to evade 4 incoming missiles

oh ok , and the KE will have a really hard time evading 15 long range AA missiles

 

[Latebra Factum]

F-15 will not even see KE in such an engagement. KE will engage F-15 from a safe distance and leave the combat zone after firing its missiles. F-15 will be busy with trying to evade 4 incoming missiles

with the brand new AIM-260 JATM with 200 km range and Mach 5 speed , ooof ...

 

[Tuncay]

with the brand new AIM-260 JATM with 200 km range and Mach 5 speed , ooof

payload isn't the problem here , the aim is to succesfully destroy and return in one piece there is no point of engaging if mutual destruction is definite , it is just a waste of materials resources and in the f15s case lives . The rcs of a f15 is 25 m2 compared with KE which has a RCS of 0.25m2 so the f15 with 22 hardpoints will not even detect and see what hit him as the KE with max 8 hardpoints parts from the conflict area i presume

 

[Radonsider]

with the brand new AIM-260 JATM with 200 km range and Mach 5 speed , ooof ...

What you are missing here is that F-15(EX) has enormous RCS (similar to flankers), like 10-15m²
While with worst estimates being around 0.2m² for Kızılelma.

F-15EX can carry as much as it wants but it can't use them if it cant see the Kızılelma.


Without AI, Kızılelma will be limited in WVR but delays are not that important for BVR, which KE would have an advantage if the radar is not dogsh*t

 

[Latebra Factum]

payload isn't the problem here , the aim is to succesfully destroy and return in one piece . The rcs of a f15 is 25 m2 compared with KE which is has a RCS of 0.25 so the f15 with 22 hardpoints will not even see what hit him as the KE with max 8 hardpoints parts from the conflict area

oh so we're talking about RCS , well let's bring the F-35 that also can use the AIM-260 JATM , some websites say that the F-35 has an RCS of 0,005 , you can see my point here

 

[Latebra Factum]

What you are missing here is that F-15(EX) has enormous RCS (similar to flankers), like 10-15m²
While with worst estimates being around 0.2m² for Kızılelma.

F-15EX can carry as much as it wants but it can't use them if it cant see the Kızılelma.


Without AI, Kızılelma will be limited in WVR but delays are not that important for BVR, which KE would have an advantage if the radar is not dogsh*t

well , as i replied , the F-35 and the F-22 would do the job