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My guess is; they are going to sell these at a very high price to the geopolitical competitors of Akıncı users. The French are very innovative prople when it comes to war profiteering.
and it will only support expensive French munitions even if the drone is sold at a discounted price , potential price gouging
 

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Deli's new warhead is 3.8 kg. Special warhead for anti tank missions will be ready in a short time. 250 Deli drones will be produced per year.
Till the end of the year Azab drones will be ready for use as well.
 

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Deli's new warhead is 3.8 kg. Special warhead for anti tank missions will be ready in a short time. 250 Deli drones will be produced per year.
Till the end of the year Azab drones will be ready for use as well.

250 is a very low number. Should have been a couple of thousands a year
 

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French UCAV cant compete with Akıncı neither for price nor munitions. Akinci uses/will use Mam C/L/T, HGK, LGK, KGK, TOLUN, İHA 122/230, Kemankeş, SOM variants, Sungur, Bozdoğan, Gökdoğan etc.
 

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Titra will reveal PARS subcloud drone in IDEF23 and Pars will be competitor of RQ-20 PUMA.

 
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250 is a very low number. Should have been a couple of thousands a year
250 is too much IMO. Its accuracy is not good enough even against a stationary target. There will be many different types of this design coming out soon, they should first have a competition and see which one is the best before building thousands of this one.
 

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Titra will reveal PARS subcloud drone in IDEF23 and Pars will be competitor of RQ-20 PUMA.



wrong link...
 

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Titra will reveal PARS subcloud drone in IDEF23 and Pars will be competitor of RQ-20 PUMA.

Sorry I don't understand PUMA and RQ-20 competition. We already have RQ-20 PUMA class drone Bayraktar Mini UAV since 2007 and in use at 4 countries as a number 300 - 500 acc to open sources. Someone can explain me PARS , RQ-20 PUMA and Bayraktar Mini UAV differences. Bayraktar Mini UAV first flight date two year earlier than RQ-20 (I want to end copy bla bla things before start) . I know After in use grudually RQ-20 developed as marine type, extended range, and solar type. I m not sure Bayraktar Mini UAV last version status but PARS need to better or same as marine or extended range type of RQ-20 . If not , market already dominated by Bayraktar Mini UAV.
 

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250 is too much IMO. Its accuracy is not good enough even against a stationary target. There will be many different types of this design coming out soon, they should first have a competition and see which one is the best before building thousands of this one.
They should license produced in ukraine and produced in massive quantity.Even lancet with shorter range and duration can produce an excellent results.
If proven then this drone is certainly a game changer especially with regard to range and duration currently.
 
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They should license produced in ukraine and produced in massive quantity.
If proven then this drone is certainly a game changer especially with regard to range and duration.
We are not fond of getting in wars and to gain what, at the cost of what.
 

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At the cost of supporting your ally and proven that your products are battle tested instead of only hype.Otherwise why supplying tb2 and not the rest.
 

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At the cost of supporting your ally and proven that your products are battle tested instead of only hype.Otherwise why supplying tb2 and not the rest.
How come is Ukraine our ally. We are not in NATO togather. We have no connection. We have some aligned interests, that's all. You don't see the consequences of angering Russia which is our biggest trade partner. They are building our nuclear power plant and supplying us with gas&oil and tourists among other things. Ukraine has relatively small effect in our lives while Russia has a huge one.
 

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A great in-depth analysis of the Zephyr (HAPS UAV) system from the Royal Aeronautical Society, you should definitely take the time to watch it.


Why did I post this in our UAV thread? Because we need to create higher awareness in the Turkish aviation community about pseudo-satellite systems. It is obvious that these systems can bring great cost and sustainability advantages in all kinds of intelligence and C&C, or as civil and military communication, or disaster response, agricultural and mineral exploration, urban planning and mapping, and many more areas.

We have companies in our country that are capable of developing these systems, and TAI in particular has the production functions and know-how to develop and produce such a system completely built-in-house.
 

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Anka-3 should have at least 10 years newer technology on board. A lot of F35 fuselage manufacturing know-how gained over the last decade by Tusas may have gone in to the Anka’s fuselage as well. Anka-3 quite likely consists mostly of lighter composite parts. Hence the lighter empty weight. Therefore can carry more payload and still be lighter than Neuron.
The Neuron was in development since 1999. First technology demonstrator prototype flew in 2012. The whole project was set up as a technology demonstrator to provide technical information for a probable future stealth UAV.

There is a saying in English ; Two is company three is a crowd. The consortium responsible for the Neuron UAV included; France, Greece, Italy, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland. They are a mis-match of countries, where you have to have cohesion in a partnership such as this. France didn‘t really need any others to make the project work. With Dassault’s leadership the project was concluded. As per the initial agreement, no serial production of the UAV was programmed and hence none was produced. What they have gained as technical know-how, through the project, was shared among the participant countries to be utilised for future development of a stealth UAV if they ever choose to go that route..

We are in Turkey today, looking at a prototype Anka-3 getting ready for its first flight. The specifications being shared above are not written in stone. Due to the fact that our indigenous engine not being ready, we are having to make do with a lesser engine to fly this plane. But in the course of the programmed development stages of the plane, we will have TF6000 being integrated and achieving much better values than what has been shared here. Range, altitude and speed specs will definitely be improved.
Our Anka-3 is being developed for potential serial production. It is not a technology demonstrator.
What needs to be remembered here is the fact that this plane is being designed and developed as a stealthy deep strike UAV. Hence high speed and high altitudes are secondary points to be worried about.
Any delta wing aircraft is inherently stealthier than conventional winged planes. A flying winged aircraft is even stealthier than a delta wing. So the design of the flying wing concept makes the work of the engineers trying to produce a stealthy aircraft, much easier.
The Vulcan Bomber was one of the stealthiest planes ever built. This was due to it’s delta wing design. Both Rafale and Typhoon have very low RCS values thanks to their delta wing constructions.

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