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[Agha Sher]

Deli's new warhead is 3.8 kg. Special warhead for anti tank missions will be ready in a short time. 250 Deli drones will be produced per year.
Till the end of the year Azab drones will be ready for use as well.

250 is a very low number. Should have been a couple of thousands a year

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

250 is a very low number. Should have been a couple of thousands a year

Yeah, 250 is a joke.

 

[Trakya_forever]

French UCAV cant compete with Akıncı neither for price nor munitions. Akinci uses/will use Mam C/L/T, HGK, LGK, KGK, TOLUN, İHA 122/230, Kemankeş, SOM variants, Sungur, Bozdoğan, Gökdoğan etc.

 

[Trakya_forever]

250 is a very low number. Should have been a couple of thousands a year

It depeds. For now, it is OK.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Titra will reveal PARS subcloud drone in IDEF23 and Pars will be competitor of RQ-20 PUMA.

Alemi cahil, kendinizi akıllı mı sanıyorsunuz?

Aslında E-Ticaret Yasası ile ortaya dökülen saçmalıklardan utanılması gereken çok husus var. Eğer ar duyguları kaldıysa işini bu denli kötü yapıp, "cambaza bak" şaklabanlığı yapanları epeyce utandıracak bir mevzu söz konusu. Ülkü Tamer'in şiirinde dile getirdiği gibi; "Hem dersini bilmiyor hem...

www.haberturk.com

 

[Era_shield]

250 is a very low number. Should have been a couple of thousands a year

250 is too much IMO. Its accuracy is not good enough even against a stationary target. There will be many different types of this design coming out soon, they should first have a competition and see which one is the best before building thousands of this one.

 

[Oublious]

Titra will reveal PARS subcloud drone in IDEF23 and Pars will be competitor of RQ-20 PUMA.

Alemi cahil, kendinizi akıllı mı sanıyorsunuz?

Aslında E-Ticaret Yasası ile ortaya dökülen saçmalıklardan utanılması gereken çok husus var. Eğer ar duyguları kaldıysa işini bu denli kötü yapıp, "cambaza bak" şaklabanlığı yapanları epeyce utandıracak bir mevzu söz konusu. Ülkü Tamer'in şiirinde dile getirdiği gibi; "Hem dersini bilmiyor hem...

www.haberturk.com

wrong link...

 

[Aloster]

Titra will reveal PARS subcloud drone in IDEF23 and Pars will be competitor of RQ-20 PUMA.

Alemi cahil, kendinizi akıllı mı sanıyorsunuz?

Aslında E-Ticaret Yasası ile ortaya dökülen saçmalıklardan utanılması gereken çok husus var. Eğer ar duyguları kaldıysa işini bu denli kötü yapıp, "cambaza bak" şaklabanlığı yapanları epeyce utandıracak bir mevzu söz konusu. Ülkü Tamer'in şiirinde dile getirdiği gibi; "Hem dersini bilmiyor hem...

www.haberturk.com

Sorry I don't understand PUMA and RQ-20 competition. We already have RQ-20 PUMA class drone Bayraktar Mini UAV since 2007 and in use at 4 countries as a number 300 - 500 acc to open sources. Someone can explain me PARS , RQ-20 PUMA and Bayraktar Mini UAV differences. Bayraktar Mini UAV first flight date two year earlier than RQ-20 (I want to end copy bla bla things before start) . I know After in use grudually RQ-20 developed as marine type, extended range, and solar type. I m not sure Bayraktar Mini UAV last version status but PARS need to better or same as marine or extended range type of RQ-20 . If not , market already dominated by Bayraktar Mini UAV.

 

[wolveray1]

250 is too much IMO. Its accuracy is not good enough even against a stationary target. There will be many different types of this design coming out soon, they should first have a competition and see which one is the best before building thousands of this one.

They should license produced in ukraine and produced in massive quantity.Even lancet with shorter range and duration can produce an excellent results.
If proven then this drone is certainly a game changer especially with regard to range and duration currently.

 

[Zafer]

They should license produced in ukraine and produced in massive quantity.
If proven then this drone is certainly a game changer especially with regard to range and duration.

We are not fond of getting in wars and to gain what, at the cost of what.

 

[wolveray1]

At the cost of supporting your ally and proven that your products are battle tested instead of only hype.Otherwise why supplying tb2 and not the rest.

 

[Zafer]

At the cost of supporting your ally and proven that your products are battle tested instead of only hype.Otherwise why supplying tb2 and not the rest.

How come is Ukraine our ally. We are not in NATO togather. We have no connection. We have some aligned interests, that's all. You don't see the consequences of angering Russia which is our biggest trade partner. They are building our nuclear power plant and supplying us with gas&oil and tourists among other things. Ukraine has relatively small effect in our lives while Russia has a huge one.

 

[dBSPL]

A great in-depth analysis of the Zephyr (HAPS UAV) system from the Royal Aeronautical Society, you should definitely take the time to watch it.

Why did I post this in our UAV thread? Because we need to create higher awareness in the Turkish aviation community about pseudo-satellite systems. It is obvious that these systems can bring great cost and sustainability advantages in all kinds of intelligence and C&C, or as civil and military communication, or disaster response, agricultural and mineral exploration, urban planning and mapping, and many more areas.

We have companies in our country that are capable of developing these systems, and TAI in particular has the production functions and know-how to develop and produce such a system completely built-in-house.

 

[Strong AI]

 

[UcanTost]

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So Anka has weaker engine, less altitude, less speed, less range, less endurance but somehow double the weapon payload? Is this based on 5 weapon station loadout or just the internal ones? The stealth capability also seems made out of thin air.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Anka-3 should have at least 10 years newer technology on board. A lot of F35 fuselage manufacturing know-how gained over the last decade by Tusas may have gone in to the Anka’s fuselage as well. Anka-3 quite likely consists mostly of lighter composite parts. Hence the lighter empty weight. Therefore can carry more payload and still be lighter than Neuron.
The Neuron was in development since 1999. First technology demonstrator prototype flew in 2012. The whole project was set up as a technology demonstrator to provide technical information for a probable future stealth UAV.

There is a saying in English ; Two is company three is a crowd. The consortium responsible for the Neuron UAV included; France, Greece, Italy, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland. They are a mis-match of countries, where you have to have cohesion in a partnership such as this. France didn‘t really need any others to make the project work. With Dassault’s leadership the project was concluded. As per the initial agreement, no serial production of the UAV was programmed and hence none was produced. What they have gained as technical know-how, through the project, was shared among the participant countries to be utilised for future development of a stealth UAV if they ever choose to go that route..

We are in Turkey today, looking at a prototype Anka-3 getting ready for its first flight. The specifications being shared above are not written in stone. Due to the fact that our indigenous engine not being ready, we are having to make do with a lesser engine to fly this plane. But in the course of the programmed development stages of the plane, we will have TF6000 being integrated and achieving much better values than what has been shared here. Range, altitude and speed specs will definitely be improved.
Our Anka-3 is being developed for potential serial production. It is not a technology demonstrator.
What needs to be remembered here is the fact that this plane is being designed and developed as a stealthy deep strike UAV. Hence high speed and high altitudes are secondary points to be worried about.
Any delta wing aircraft is inherently stealthier than conventional winged planes. A flying winged aircraft is even stealthier than a delta wing. So the design of the flying wing concept makes the work of the engineers trying to produce a stealthy aircraft, much easier.
The Vulcan Bomber was one of the stealthiest planes ever built. This was due to it’s delta wing design. Both Rafale and Typhoon have very low RCS values thanks to their delta wing constructions.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

So Anka has weaker engine, less altitude, less speed, less range, less endurance but somehow double the weapon payload?

Empty weight is 1.4 tonnes lighter than the Neuron despite having almost the same dimensions.

 

[UcanTost]

Empty weight is 1.4 tonnes lighter than the Neuron despite having almost the same dimensions.

I noticed that but if MTOW is only internals then the empty weight difference doesnt matter

 

[Huelague]

I noticed that but if MTOW is only internals then the empty weight difference doesnt matter

It’s never been internals only.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I noticed that but if MTOW is only internals then the empty weight difference doesnt matter

MTOW stands for Maximum Take-Off Weight. So as the name suggests it is the maximum weight with which the plane can manage to take off, with the engine that is on it.
That includes everything ; the payload (internal plus external) and fuel.

quote:
The Dassault nEUROn UCAV is configured as a flying notched delta wing with no vertical tail. The nEUROn is composed of an all composite skin built on an aluminum frame (Withington, 2011). Parts and components materials also include high-performance alloys and titanium alloys. It is characterized by a length of approximately 9.4 m, a wingspan of approximately 12.4m, an empty weight of approximately 4900kg, and a maximum take-off weight of approximately 7000 kg. The system is reportedly capable of reaching a maximum speed of approximately 268 m/s.
unquote.

Clearly Neuron has been built with composites over an Aluminium frame including high performance alloys and Titanium alloys. It seems that our Anka-3 has less weight. Suggesting more cleverly and better usage of composites. Which is expected as Tusas has learnt from the best when it comes to composites.

Anka-3 also has to consider stand off attack posture as well as stealthy deep strike. With ammunition like Super-Simsek or SOM-J missiles under its belly, it may be compromising some of its stealthiness. But it can inflict more damage further away with such a configuration as Super-Simsek can fly a further 700km after it has been launched and SOM-J has a range of nearly 300km.
With a couple of indigenous small diameter bombs in each internal compartments, it can still strike stealthily in to deep enemy strongholds.

Turkey's ANKA-3 Flying Wing Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle Emerges

Turkey's ANKA-3 is a stealthy unmanned combat air vehicle that aims to fit within a growing locally-developed advanced air combat ecosystem.

www.thedrive.com