TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Anmdt]

RED KAAN's loyal wingman???
PURPLE unmanned fighter???

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It more refers to an evolution given in the roadmap that first product is rather small from the actual dimensions and made to mature technology, strategy and CONOPS. Built faster, tested faster. Yet this still can be a product but not fulfilling the whole capability of the concept.

 

[zio]

I guess anka4 will not be an unmanned fighter like kızılelma,it must be a bigger version of anka3 with two engine ,thats a big step but with little effort

 

[boredaf]

So, T925, 10t utility helicopter, possibly T629, Hürkuş-2, Hürjet, Kaan, Anka-3, Özgür and Süper Şimşek (or whatever it is called) isn't enough, Temel Kotil wants to add another project. And I haven't even mentioned stuff they are producing right now or the engine projects we have to be running (not directly Tusas, I know).

It is starting to feel like he is trying to juggle too many balls unnecessarily.

 

[uçuyorum]

So, T925, 10t utility helicopter, possibly T629, Hürkuş-2, Hürjet, Kaan, Anka-3, Özgür and Süper Şimşek (or whatever it is called) isn't enough, Temel Kotil wants to add another project. And I haven't even mentioned stuff they are producing right now or the engine projects we have to be running (not directly Tusas, I know).

It is starting to feel like he is trying to juggle too many balls unnecessarily.

He has stated before he wants to grow TUSAŞ and basically compete with lockheed in aerospace. And it is meaningful to have future projects being worked on with less focus at conceptual stage at all times, only issue here is stating it too early to public. I appreciate the ambition at least. But obviously they weren't gonna just do Anka 3 and stop there. I don't know why anyone is surprised.

 

[boredaf]

He has stated before he wants to grow TUSAŞ and basically compete with lockheed in aerospace. And it is meaningful to have future projects being worked on with less focus at conceptual stage at all times, only issue here is stating it too early to public. I appreciate the ambition at least. But obviously they weren't gonna just do Anka 3 and stop there. I don't know why anyone is surprised.

Because they haven't done Anka-3, or any of the projects I mentioned. Anka-3 is still on the ground and it won't be done once it flies either.

 

[Agha Sher]

If Baykar made those statements we would see different reaction

Of course reaction would be different. Baykar is more the cherry on top while TAI is the workhorse of Turkiye's aviation industry. Baykar fails in something, no big problem. TAI failing in their crucial projects will have huge consequences for Turkiye.

What TAI is doing is simply too important. Turkiye cannot afford a TAI not living up to expectations.

 

[uçuyorum]

Because they haven't done Anka-3, or any of the projects I mentioned. Anka-3 is still on the ground and it won't be done once it flies either.

Do you know what a product pipeline is?

 

[uçuyorum]

Do you know what a product pipeline is?

Actually I should expand: a pipeline consists of several different stages during development of a new product. These stages require different resources. Pipelining is when you have multiple products and in parallel and you have different stages of products running in parallel so as to not have idle resources and speed up the process but also make sure they don't cannibalize resources of each other. That's why its important to think ahead. This approach is needed for efficirntly using resources.

 

[boredaf]

Do you know what a product pipeline is?

I know and understand what it is, I simply don't believe Tusas has the resources or the capability to handle so many projects at the same time without compromising and slowing them down. Imo, this is just Temel Kotil acting like "sütten ağzı yanan yoğurdu üfleyerek yermiş", as Tusas lost engineers before because they couldn't support them with projects. But this time in trying to prevent that he is going to the other extreme.

 

[Rodeo]

We have developed a system called IRST, which allows you to see the other side in the airspace without seeing you, for our Kızılelma and for the National Combat Aircraft Kaan. We named it KARAT.

Ahmet Akyol | ASELSAN CEO

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697177988066927035

KIZILELMA will have IRST?

 

[Radko]

We have developed a system called IRST, which allows you to see the other side in the airspace without seeing you, for our Kızılelma and for the National Combat Aircraft Kaan. We named it KARAT.

Ahmet Akyol | ASELSAN CEO

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697177988066927035

KIZILELMA will have IRST?

Yes, KARAT is an unified IRST system for national aircrafts of Turkey, you can see the platforms on the brochure

 

[Merzifonlu]

KIZILELMA will have IRST?

This has been announced before. It's not new information.

 

[Rodeo]

This has been announced before. It's not new information.

I must've missed it.

 

[what]

Kizilelma will not be KAAN's wingman unless politics forces TAI to do so. And TAI will not be on the sidelines when they have a product in production just because some other company did it too. This is not how our industry has worked. There has always been competition within the industry. Sometimes there was too much (land vehicles) and sometimes there was not enough.

Not only is it a logical step, it's also smart to keep engineers busy and in the company. And it's really good to have the teams that worked on X in product Y now building the bigger/better version of whatever part they worked on before for the next big thing.

KE will be its own product, own category but TAI has the upper hand when it comes to KAAN. I dont know if thats to much speculation but if we eventually get 100 KAANs then TAI can expect 100-200 or so orders of the upcoming wingman. Billions worth of orders just in the domestic market. Plus for every export customers highly relevant too.

 

[Oublious]

In a interview Selcuk Bayraktar anounced that TB3 will fly short after Teknofest.

 

[Samba]

I would die to see Anka 3 fly even before tb3.

 

[boredaf]

I would die to see Anka 3 fly even before tb3.

Why?

 

[B_A]

Kizilelma will not be KAAN's wingman unless politics forces TAI to do so. And TAI will not be on the sidelines when they have a product in production just because some other company did it too. This is not how our industry has worked. There has always been competition within the industry. Sometimes there was too much (land vehicles) and sometimes there was not enough.

Not only is it a logical step, it's also smart to keep engineers busy and in the company. And it's really good to have the teams that worked on X in product Y now building the bigger/better version of whatever part they worked on before for the next big thing.

KE will be its own product, own category but TAI has the upper hand when it comes to KAAN. I dont know if thats to much speculation but if we eventually get 100 KAANs then TAI can expect 100-200 or so orders of the upcoming wingman. Billions worth of orders just in the domestic market. Plus for every export customers highly relevant too.

The best way is Baykar can be the export version and TUSAS produce much better version for our armed force

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1698296746227442069

Mehmet Simsek: KE export value is $10.000 per kg.

Based on his number, we can expect KE to be priced at around $60 million per aircraft. (assuming 6 tons empty weight)

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1698296746227442069

Mehmet Simsek: KE export value is $10.000 per kg.

Based on his number, we can expect KE to be priced at around $60 million per aircraft. (assuming 6 tons empty weight)

The maximum take-off weight is 8.5 tons. This raises its value to $85 million.