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[Strong AI]

Can some one explain the front part (nose) of the plane

Intake (also inlet) of the engine

which makes the UAV damn un-aerodynamic

Please show us your calculations. Or why did you claim that?

 

[Huelague]

Intake (also inlet) of the engine



Please show us your calculations. Or why did you claim that?

You dont need a calculation for that, as a circle is more aerodynamic than an rectangle.
But why place the inlet on the nose?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Why would Tusas produce a flying wing form as Anka-3?
Main notion that lies behind that is the fact that a flying wing has parameters that imparts stealthiness.
Stealthiness is not achieved by adhering to just specific geometry or materials alone. It is the sum of all different parts of the equation that makes a plane stealthy.

A good example is Typhoon. Due to the delta wing it has inherent stealth characteristics. But it has a canard and has to carry missiles and bombs under its wings that will detract from its stealth. To compensate for that the lines are aggressively designed to keep frontal view as stealthy as possible. Then all the weapons placements are in recessed positions under the wings to keep them away from radar signals. Only 15% of the aeroplane’s body contains metal to make it harder to bounce radar signals.
“Typhoon EW suite employs a range of electronic countermeasures that allows the aircraft to digitally hide its signature, becoming invisible to radar, or to digitally create a complex and confusing picture (noise) for a threat operator, denying them a clean targeting opportunity and preventing them from launching a missile in the first place.”

Anka-3 has the major prerequisite already in place. It has the lowest achievable RCS and highest stealthiness due to the shape of the flying wing. No canards, no vertical stabilisers. Once the TF6000 engine is in situ it will have another part of the puzzle in place as well. It is mainly manufactured from stealth friendly composite materials. When ready, an Aesa radar will most likely be put in place to give it more capabilities including EW to help improve its electronic stealthiness.

Having produced KAAN and now ANKA-3, you can be rest assured that Tusas knows what it is doing. These tests with ammunition under its belly is to provide data and give them an idea about what to expect when stealth is reduced. You can’t expect this plane not to carry weapons under its wings, as @dBSPL has explained above. It will carry Super-Şimşek and a host of other bombs that may detract from its stealth. But not to such an extent that will make it impossible to use them; especially in case-specific instances, where you know what your adversary’s radar capabilities are like.

 

[Yasar_TR]

You dont need a calculation for that, as a circle is more aerodynamic than an rectangle.
But why place the inlet on the nose?

Subsonic case : round/circular nose is more aerodynamic
Supersonic case : pointed nose is more aerodynamic.
But in stealth designs you need flat surfaces and sharp edges rather than rounded to stop radar signals from bouncing back.

 

[Strong AI]

There is a big difference between this

damn un-aerodynamic

and this

a circle is more aerodynamic than an rectangle

Also:

• Flat Surfaces: Stealth aircraft often feature flat, angular surfaces. These flat panels are oriented in such a way that incoming radar waves are deflected away from the radar source rather than directly back. This reduces the radar signature of the aircraft.
• Sharp Edges: Sharp edges are used instead of rounded ones to create a facet-like surface, which helps to scatter radar waves in multiple directions rather than reflecting them back. Rounded surfaces tend to reflect radar waves more directly back to their source, increasing the radar signature.

 

[Kaan Azman]

I didnt get the downwards quite right as it is bell shaped (gonna be included in remake after I'm done with KIZILELMA) so it doesnt represent the form %100.

And the thing under the nose is TOYGUN EOTS which ASELSAN hinted to be included for ANKA-3. For now, we are going with a gimbal.

 

[somegoodusername]

Is using a flying wing for the role of tanker UAV optimal? Can't we develop something closer to Stingray UAV with a small budget?

 

[Strong AI]

Can't we develop something closer to Stingray UAV with a small budget?

Very tiny small budget indeed.

“The MQ‑25 program is an acquisition category 1B Major Defense Acquisition Program with an estimated cost of $16.5 billion, including $3.1 billion for research, development, test, and evaluation, $12.6 billion for procurement, and $747.5 million for military construction,” according to DODIG’s review. Navy budget documents estimate that the average unit cost for each MQ-25 will be just under $150 million, not counting various ancillary items.

MQ-25 Stingray Tanker Delays, Risks Come Into View

A new report warns about the risks of the Navy's aggressive plans for the MQ-25 as Boeing gets millions in new funding for its development.

www.twz.com

 

[uçuyorum]

Is using a flying wing for the role of tanker UAV optimal? Can't we develop something closer to Stingray UAV with a small budget?

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Well for a tanker drone you want to maximize payload and have it stable as the fuel amount drops while it is refueling and matching other jets pace and movement. So a flying wing may not be suitable

 

[somegoodusername]

Very tiny small budget indeed.

“The MQ‑25 program is an acquisition category 1B Major Defense Acquisition Program with an estimated cost of $16.5 billion, including $3.1 billion for research, development, test, and evaluation, $12.6 billion for procurement, and $747.5 million for military construction,” according to DODIG’s review. Navy budget documents estimate that the average unit cost for each MQ-25 will be just under $150 million, not counting various ancillary items.

MQ-25 Stingray Tanker Delays, Risks Come Into View

A new report warns about the risks of the Navy's aggressive plans for the MQ-25 as Boeing gets millions in new funding for its development.

www.twz.com

That is US procurement culture, not Turkish. Look how fast Turkish UAV projects are advancing and with very affordable budgets. Tanker UAV doesn't need to be technologically advanced unlike Anka-3 or Kızılelma.

 

[Quasar]

another major problem with a future ANKA 3 variant as a fuel tanker drone is that drones use refueling basket

which requires a refueling probe at the reciving end

and non of our planes have it I mean refueling probe

what we have is maned refueling boom with an operator

For KAAN and for Hürjet we can come up with retractable refueling probe For Hürjet may be but may be it can be fixed one as well....

However, for KAAN as we know we will have side looking AESA radar panels and side weapon bays so I belive KAAN will continue using refueling boom sure this is speculation ........

in short ANKA refueling drone may refuel only other drons like KE, ANKA3, AKINCI.... which doesnt have refueling capability yet and never done beforEby anyone as far as I know….. a drone refueling another drone which will happen eventually I think and may be but may be HÜRJET and preferably NAVAL HÜRJET

-or eurofighter typhoon if we ever have it

 

[Yasar_TR]

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[Heartbang]

another major problem with a future ANKA 3 variant as a fuel tanker drone is that drones use refueling basket

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which requires a refueling probe at the reciving end

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and non of our planes have it I mean refueling probe

what we have is maned refueling boom with an operator

View attachment 70377

For KAAN and for Hürjet we can come up with retractable refueling probe For Hürjet may be but may be it can be fixed one as well....

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However, for KAAN as we know we will have side looking AESA radar panels and side weapon bays so I belive KAAN will continue using refueling boom sure this is speculation ........

in short ANKA refueling drone may refuel only other drons like KE, ANKA3 which doesnt have e refueling capability yet and never done befor by anyone as far as I know….. a drone refueling another drone and may be but may be HÜRJET and preferably NAVAL HÜRJET

-or eurofighter typhoon if we ever have it

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We could develop a buddy pod with a refueling boom, just like the Americans.

Podded Aerial Refueling Boom Design Has Been Completed For Air Force

Work on a pod-mounted aerial refueling boom has advanced significantly, as the Air Force looks at solving its future tanker conundrums.

www.twz.com

 

[zio]

Anka with EW pod

 

[RMZN]

another major problem with a future ANKA 3 variant as a fuel tanker drone is that drones use refueling basket

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which requires a refueling probe at the reciving end

View attachment 70376

and non of our planes have it I mean refueling probe

what we have is maned refueling boom with an operator

View attachment 70377

For KAAN and for Hürjet we can come up with retractable refueling probe For Hürjet may be but may be it can be fixed one as well....

View attachment 70382

However, for KAAN as we know we will have side looking AESA radar panels and side weapon bays so I belive KAAN will continue using refueling boom sure this is speculation ........

in short ANKA refueling drone may refuel only other drons like KE, ANKA3 which doesnt have e refueling capability yet and never done befor by anyone as far as I know….. a drone refueling another drone and may be but may be HÜRJET and preferably NAVAL HÜRJET

-or eurofighter typhoon if we ever have it

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[Sanchez]

Emirati Block 60s don't have regular CFTs but CARTS, Conformal Air Refueling Tank System that feeds fuel directly to the main tanks, not the CFTs. It's one way to refuel F-16s with probe and drogue. I doubt we'd either procure or make our own equivalent just so that they could be tanker UAV refueled when we already have a tanker fleet, something UAE didn't have.

 

[RMZN]

Were additional CFTs in the the Turkish F-16 B70 procurement plan ? If TurAF gets A330 MRTT they would also offer drogue refueling capabilities. Same as with the A400M.

 

[Sanchez]

Were additional CFTs in the the Turkish F-16 B70 procurement plan ?

Yes.

If TurAF gets A330 MRTT they would also offer drogue refueling capabilities

As mentioned above, CARTS is not a regular CFT.

And A330 MRTT can already be configured with a regular boom. In fact, most MRTT users have it with a boom, including France.

 

[RMZN]

Yes.


As mentioned above, CARTS is not a regular CFT.

And A330 MRTT can already be configured with a regular boom. In fact, most MRTT users have it with a boom, including France.

So instead of regular CFTs, procuring CARTS is also an option for B70. A330 MRTT would also be able to refuel two planes at once via the drogue system.

 

[Sanchez]

So instead of regular CFTs, procuring CARTS is also an option for B70. A330 MRTT would also be able to refuel two planes at once via the drogue system.

Not necessarily, we don't know how much Emirati Block 60s were modified to accept the CARTS. Block 60 is a special aircraft developed for UAE, not directly related to Block 70 Viper.