TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[TR_123456]

Will the stealth capability really be sufficient?

The speed is slow.

There is a 2-second data delay.

Will the engine be able to generate enough energy for the electronic set and radar?

How much control will the pilot have over the aircraft due to the data delay? Will the AI be given firing authority?

Even with a better engine KIZILELMA cannot be used for dogfights and many other roles the F-16's fulfills.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I think some of you guys are comparing Kizilelma with akinci and that is not right.
Kizilelma is not going to be remotely controlled al the time it's will get its mission and operation guidelines and will operate mostly autonomous its closer to the F16Vista than Akinci or tb2. That doesn't differ so much from pilots as they rely mostly on the avionics/mission settings anyway the only thing it will miss the ability to look beyond.
Also most stealth aircraft fly subsonic anyway but to be fair it will still be slower.
Its payload capacity should be enough for 4 BVR missiles same as the F35.
The only problem i currently see is the EW capacity simply because the energy is not given for that but that will change over time and a stealth fighter only uses it if it has no other choice.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Kizilelma flight test with Gökdogan BVR missile (no idea if’s the real thing or just a prop)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1990814404082864157

 

[Samba]

Would love to see firinf from internal bay after these tests are completed

 

[boredaf]

Would love to see firinf from internal bay after these tests are completed

Is there even an internal bay in this prototype?

 

[Shtr]

Kızılelma will have some communication latency of 2+ seconds that creates some disadvantage in dogfights. It has a smaller payload capacity than the F16. Feel free to break down what else you think is a shortcoming.

I usually accept your words as reference Is there a reference about 2 seconds? It is really too much in this era. I was expecting around 100ms round trips.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Kızılelma will only reach its true potential when equipped with two engines such as the AI-322F or the TF-10000. Only then will it become a UCAV that, while not capable of engaging in classic dogfights, can operate as a highly agile scout and wingman within an entire swarm – similar to a pack of wolves.

In the future stealth-versus-stealth airspace, where the effective radar range is only about 40–60 km anyway, such forward platforms are crucial. Systems such as Süper Şimşek and Kızılelma are there to force the enemy to reveal themselves earlier, activate their sensors or betray their position – even if they are shot down in the process. In this scenario, they have served their purpose, because that is exactly what they are designed to do: create pressure, provide information and force the enemy into a defensive posture so that KAAN and other manned platforms can operate from an optimal position for a kill.

 

[Zafer]

I usually accept your words as reference Is there a reference about 2 seconds? It is really too much in this era. I was expecting around 100ms round trips.

It is an average Round Trip Time latency in satellite communications and not specific to Kızılelma. 100ms RTT is for landlines I believe. I am not sure if the Uluğbey satellite constellation at 510 km altitude will have a better latency, and perhaps it will if the 2 second delay is on the 36000 km geostationery orbit satellites.

I checked the Starlink latency numbers and they are at around 50 ms. If Uluğbey is at 50 ms delay then Kızılelma's prize will have to go up quite a bit. By the way you can't take state of the art latency numbers for granted as they will not sell it to anyone to use in the military.

 

[Trakya_forever]

It will work autonomous. Thanks to current technology, it is not so hard for Baykar.

 

[Shtr]

It is an average Round Trip Time latency in satellite communications and not specific to Kızılelma. 100ms RTT is for landlines I believe. I am not sure if the Uluğbey satellite constellation at 510 km altitude will have a better latency, and perhaps it will if the 2 second delay is on the 36000 km geostationery orbit satellites.

I checked the Starlink latency numbers and they are at around 50 ms. If Uluğbey is at 50 ms delay then Kızılelma's prize will have to go up quite a bit. By the way you can't take state of the art latency numbers for granted as they will not sell it to anyone to use in the military.

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It is actually based on communication system they used as you said.

Bayraktar TB2: LOS link ~20–50 ms, satcom mod ~600+ ms
Starlink based UAVs: 20–60 ms
Iridium Certus: 30–100 ms

If Uluğ Bey will be used in communication as well, it will be great.

 

[Boykaz]

Let’s think simply, friends:
If Kızılelma can detect an F-16 Viper from 150+ km in the air,
and the F-16 Viper can only detect Kızılelma from 50–60 km,
this already gives Kızılelma nearly a 100 km advantage in range.

So even if it’s not fully autonomous, delays in that 100 km window aren’t very critical.

We’ve seen the interface of the MURAD AESA radar on screen — in my opinion, it adds an incredible level of situational awareness.