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[cr33pt3d]

I wonder which missiles can fit in the IWB among the expected new arrivals

• Bozdoğan
• Gökdoğan (?)
• Gökhan (?)

If Gokhan is set to have the same dimensions of the AIM-120D AMRAAM or the Meteor, then most probably all three, based on mission characteristics . if Gokhan has a longer range, meaning bigger then only Gokdogan and Bozdogan. I laways have the idea that Kizielma is small, but it is a big bird .
Imagine a KE with 2 TF10k on MUGEM, loaded with 2 Gokdogan IWB, or Gokhan plus Murad AESA

 

[Zafer]

Luckily, communication does not work with power electroctronics for the actaul communication, they work with radio electronics. Also, the transmitted radio wave is by definition at ligthspeed and it is the same for every single creature in the universe (Einstein's theory of relativity).

So the calculation is simple as 2x36000km / 300000km/s + 0.02s if you round to 2 significant numbers.

You don't need to trust me, just test it yourself at home.

To test, go to an online latency tester, for example https://packetstats.com. you will see that your latency or ping is about 20-200ms when going through multiple nodes in an uncontrolled network like internet. Latency to your own $20 router at home is about 2-5ms. The processing latency in a dedicated multimillion dollar communication equipment like sats are below 1ms.

As a side note, I have worked with and developed both power and high-speed communication electronics at PhD level.

We can still see latency of around 2 seconds during intercontinental TV broadcasts while not as much as it was five years ago. Probably summarized data will travel faster. By the way I was a licensed marine radio-electronic operator in the past and I know radio communication has a lot to do with power electronics unlike home connections, unless things have changed drastically recently which I doubt. Not all intercontinental communication goes over satellite, alot of it goes through ocean cables one should take notice.

 

[Oublious]

LoL

Anil Sahin did now it...

 

[Quasar]

 

[Huelague]

Zwei Termine dürfen nicht vergessen werden.

1) 17.07.2025 um 10:13 Uhr

2) 28.11.2025

England und Irland sind ebenfalls enthalten. Griechenland fällt aus.

What does that mean?

 

[Oublious]

KE hav al ready a IWB, ready to be used.

 

[Ahlatshah]

Today is a groundbreaking success and each one of the followings are historical turning points for us:

First, OUR RADAR is matured enough to lock to an aircraft from a flying jet

Second, OUR MISSILE is matured enough to engage an aircraft and eliminate it by getting signal from our radar

Third, OUR UAV (or unmanned combat aircraft should I say) is matured enough to use this combination

Congratulations to our engineers and every contributors and also to our great nation. We live in a times that none of us could even dream these days ten years ago.

 

[Zafer]

KE hav al ready a IWB, ready to be used.

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It does have the IWB but the missiles need to work well with it. As both the plane and the missiles are still in development we still need to hold our breath to see how well it works and with which one of the missiles it works.

 

[Melkör]

Hey Boeing, how’s your shit-bat or whatever it’s called, going?

 

[Strong AI]

“Today is the victory day of Turkish aviation.
On this day 110 years ago, a French Farman aircraft shot down by Ali Rıza and his observer İbrahim Orhan Bey over the skies of Çanakkale became the first loss in the history of the sky over Turkish airspace.
Because 30 November 1915 marks the first victory day in Turkish aerial warfare history, it is one of the most important days in our aviation culture.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1995072578025668983

 

[Yasar_TR]

You are off by a factor of 10X.

A +2 second latency would put the sattelite on the moon at about 1-lightsecond distance (it varies between 360-405 kkm).

For a geostationary satellite at 36,000 km, the signal delay is about 240 milliseconds round-trip. You can add a few 10's of milliseconds due to processing. Which will put it below 300ms, this is barely playable latency when you play online real-time games but not the end of the world when you engage BVR.

Bro you are correct about what you are saying ; but only partially @Zafer is correct in the matter of extended latency.

The total up and down distance covered for the geosync satellite is around 76000km, resulting in a minimum theoretical one-way delay (latency) of about 250 milliseconds (a quarter of a second). For two-way communication like satellite internet, the signal has to travel back up to the satellite and back down to the ISP, making the total round-trip latency even longer, often between 500ms to 700ms in practice.

But it doesn’t stop there:

The audio and video signals go through multiple devices like switchers, encoders, decoders, and compression machines, each adding a small amount of processing delay as they prepare the signal for transmission. For high-quality video, this can involve significant buffering to ensure all packets line up correctly, which adds time. This can, with the initial half to 3/4 second latency, be as much as 2 seconds.

But it doesn’t stop there either when it comes to live broadcasts :

There is a further up to 6 seconds intentional delay introduced to the satellite signals by the broadcasters to allow them to intercept unwanted or embedded or transmitted signals reaching the viewers.

 

[Atilla77]

The person who added Mehter Marşı to that should be fired. Also, barely anything more than what was released, just some masturbatory aid, nothing new about the actual test.

''How dare you use your own cultural and historic music genre''

Better than using some shitty techno beat.

 

[boredaf]

''How dare you use your own cultural and historic music genre''

Better than using some shitty techno beat.

Both are shite and unnecessary. Especially at that bloody volume.

 

[Ripley]

I think everyone would be on board. Baykar is known to test stuff rapidly in succession and they are a stubborn, competitive company.

Thank you Baykar for proving your worth one more time. Thank you Aselsan, TÜBİTAK SAGE.

This test is also another testament to the Turkish defense industry‘s ecosystem success.

On a lighter note, if this feat by Kızılelma saved or maybe restored some of Anıl Şahin’s credibility, so be it

 

[Strong AI]

...yeah, okay. But KIZIELMA shot down the target on 28.11.2025.

29.11.2025

 

[OPTIMUS]

Right. Typo.

 

[dBSPL]

One thing BAYKAR has made us accustomed to is that once their systems reach a certain number of flight test hours, other validation and performance tests follow one after another at lightning speed. One of the key factors behind Baykar's rise from among many traditional aviation giants to become the world's leading institution in the UAV market is that it has reached a position where it has virtually redefined global market standards in the process from project development to operational capability. We know that what we are seeing today is indeed the first air-to-air engagement by a UCAV, but the fact that these test images belong to BAYKAR shows everyone, regardless of their bias, that this system will reach operational capability in a very short time, perhaps within a few years.

Also, I must mention this: Contrary to the speculation that arose on social media at one point, it has become clear that the approximately one-year hiatus in the project was actually a period of intense engineering and testing activities. Frankly, one of the doubts I always had was whether KE's STOL Naval version would be ready when MUGEM was launched. I guess my worries were for nothing.

Nevertheless, my impartial opinion is that the motivation to eliminate the PR of a potential competitor may also be behind bringing forward this physical BVR firing test. Undoubtedly, KE test activities are at a much more mature stage, and moreover, it is highly unlikely that this system, which has a much broader mission envelope, would leave the lead in this field to its competitor. In particular, dozens more tests will be conducted on air-to-air missiles in different flight envelopes and scenarios. Experts on the subject can explain this better, but some of these munitions will be tested while the aircraft is flying at different altitudes and speeds and perhaps performing high-G maneuvers. There is also the issue of munitions release from internal weapon stations, which is one of the system's truly lethal capabilities and involves another complex engineering feat.

Despite everything, our current position is a source of pride. It has reaffirmed our belief that the Turkish Air Force will spread its steel wings wider than ever in the 2030s and will even become one of the leading air forces in the transformation of combat aviation. I sincerely thank every engineer, technician, air force member, bureaucrat, and company official who contributed to this historic achievement today. As our Great leader said, the future lies in the skies.

 

[Strong AI]

We know that what we are seeing today is indeed the first air-to-air engagement by a UCAV

Well actually no, if we see the MQ-9 as an UCAV. What we achieved is the first BVR A-A engagement/kill by an UCAV with its own Radar.

MQ-9 Reaper Scored Air-to-Air Kill in 2017 | Missile Threat

In November 2017, an MQ-9 Reaper UAV conducted a successful air-to-air intercept of a small aerial drone target. Although an unclassified event, reports of the intercept only received public attention in mid-September 2018 following an interview with U.S. Air Force Colonel Julian Cheater, who...

missilethreat.csis.org

 

[TheInsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1995097448851632639

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1995044900715299241

Kızıelma UCAV engaged a BVR target with a completely national kill chain.
National IFF, national radar, national radar-missile datalink, national missile, and national RF seeker.

This is huge. The MIUS team used no shortcuts to achieve the first radar-guided BVR kill. This is a full kill chain in action here. This could have been done with just radar lock and a missile without IFF or data-link. It is even possible to use a missile in passive RF mode so that it can be guided to the target with radar illumination.

 

[Merzifonlu]

When the same shot is fired from IWB while flying with the TF-10000 engine, this project will have truly achieved its goal. This is only the first step.